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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by tomstockmail »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #487
Dah00n wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it happens in every thread about Brave. Full-on damage control at the smallest mention, which says a lot.

Depends are which side of the table you’re sitting at. I like Brave and many other people do. Just look at any of the other HN posts about Brave. Since I like Brave, from this side of the table it looks like the anti-Brave people come out in full force to try to spew the same old crap and badmouth Brave. At the point it is the tired old crap, which most has been debunked already.

With the referral program and integration with a cryptocurrency, anyone can shill for it. It's hard if not impossible to know if someone promoting Brave has a stake in BAT or not.

Those that are showing Braves many problems ("badmouth") don't have a stake one way or the other except to warn people.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by nl »

axaxs wrote: post #128
zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

Same excitement here. I'd love to see anyone(Brave or others) chip away at my Google dependencies, even if they charge me for them. I already love Brave as a browser, so here's hoping search pans out. I don't mind a company profiling me. A lot of Google's cross interacting products work great(Gmail to Calendar and Maps, for example). I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. A guy can dream...

> I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data.

Google doesn't sell your data.

They sell the opportunity for companies to place their ads based on Google's placement algorithms, which use your data.

There is a big difference, and while I don't expect the general population makes the distinction I think on HN people should understand this.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by hellotomyrars »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #90
x4e wrote: post #52

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Funny how their posts show such a different approach to their browser than Braves. E.g. forking Firefox not Chromium, implementing functionality as extension instead of in browser where possible...

> If all browsers end up using Blink (Google), the Web will suffer as developers will only optimize and test for the Blink rendering engine. Am I the only one that thinks that this would be a good thing? Like the entire industry sharing the same core open source technology? Write a website once and it works perfectly across all platforms?

Depends mostly on the terms you choose to evaluate it. Certainly that is one upside, but the downsides are pretty clear as well. Chromium is an open-source base but it is still very much spearheaded and dragged by the whims of Google, and if there is no other game in town they have even less of a reason to avoid decision that might not be in the best interest of users.

Additionally, you lose even more meaningful competition that drives improvement. Obviously you don't lose it all as your different chromium flavors do implement different bells and whistles but those are much narrower in scope.

It continues to be ironic and concerning that Firefox exists at the whims of Google paying to be the default search, but in some ways that helps them with potential antitrust cases as well. I think we have a lot more to lose than gain if we fully collapse into a Blink/Chromium singularity.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by hellotomyrars »

aembleton wrote: post #344
toyg wrote: post #117

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Chromium is nominally open source - in practice it's controlled by Google employees in any way that matters. So you would literally be handing full control over the web-experience to Google.

Nothing would stop it being forked. If for example, Microsoft wanted something added then they could fork it; add their code and use that in Edge.

Nothing stops them but considering they've gone the route of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" after fighting for so long, I doubt they're likely to diverge significantly at this stage.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #451
lern_too_spel wrote: post #337

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It does indicate that those other sites want Google to scrape them, while Google does not want others to scrape their results, which is an important distinction ocdtrekkie ignored for whether the scrapee will want to take legal action.

You may wish to review https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/victory-ruling-hiq-v-l... Google Search results are definitely "public data" so long as Google provides them to anyone who asks.

Then why does Startpage pay Google and DDG pay Microsoft?

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by teclordphrack2 »

smoldesu wrote: post #405
jonathansampson wrote: post #395

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What missteps? The only notable UX issue we've had was years ago, and was a matter of naïve design. When we were made aware of the issue, it was corrected within 48 hours. Hard to portray that as a "culture of hostile UX".

Maybe you could start by listening instead of accosting every comment that you find. Your incessant reply-bombing is childish and unprofessional, nobody wants to engage with someone who defends a browser like it's their sole lifeline. Furthermore, you don't get to choose what your "UX issues" are. "UX" quite literally stands for "users experience", which is on the other side of the spectrum from "developer experience…

I see you put the twit in twitter.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by cocoafleck »

jonathansampson wrote: post #107
staticassertion wrote: post #23

Seems quite fast, good UX overall. I like that it gives me information like "all results from Brave" so that if they do fall back I know about it. DDG has a 'bang syntax' where I can do things like '!rust' to start searching the rust docs from my url - I like that a lot, I wonder if there's anything similar here or if I could work around that somehow.

Update: We do support !rust as well (and all of DDG's other bangs ). Brave Search supports many shebangs , but I don't believe we've added support for `!rust` yet (we do have `!mdn` and `!so` though). I'll submit a request to add a `!rust` option too!

You don't seem to support the !ddg, and !duckduckgo bangs. See https://search.brave.com/search?q=!ddg+test nor do you support bangs in the middle of queries such as https://search.brave.com/search?q=example+!rust+example

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

cweagans wrote: post #309

I really cannot understand why people go through the effort of building manual light/dark mode toggles in websites these days. I already set it system-wide. Just default to what I already specified. I see it all over the place and it boggles my mind when the user's preference is just a media query away.

I haven't implemented a client-side setting on my sites yet, but it's in the plans. I can tell you why I plan to do it, and also why I test with no-JS support and in text-mode browsers, implement status indicators and back-to-top buttons, and why I consider Netscape 2.0 a first-class citizen on my domains.

Sure, the user-agent "should" provide all of that stuff, but the reality is that most don't have all the features I would want as a visitor to my site, so I have to bend over backwards to accommodate their specific abilities.

The user-experience is a combination of three abilities: the ability of the user, the ability of the user-agent, and the ability of the Web site. Combined together they form the ACCESS-ABILITY landscape.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by AussieWog93 »

zzyzxd wrote: post #163
lopatin wrote: post #102

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Just curious, why are you opposed to search ads? They are already targeted by your search query, so don't fundamentally rely on tracking data.

IMHO search ads are bad search results, and in 99% of time they are not something I would want to click. So they are doing nothing useful but only adding friction to my search experience. I am not against privacy friendly ads in free services, but if there's an option to pay to get rid of ads, I will pay.

I'm in eCommerce, run ads (on eBay, not Google) and would have to agree 100%.

The only products we put paid promotion on are common and overpriced, and the demographic of the customers is very different to what we'd find through our products sold through organic search.

Based solely on anecdata through the messages we receive and the addresses we ship to, the people who click on ads are somewhat more likely to be lower-socio, much more likely to have low literacy skills, and a couple of orders of magnitude more likely (not an exaggeration) to live in a remote Aboriginal community.

It feels somewhat dirty/exploitative, but it's what the customer wants. They have the choice of saving $50+ by scrolling past the first 3-4 results, but they choose not to. I just don't understand.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by cheschire »

tomstockmail wrote: post #491
iJohnDoe wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends are which side of the table you’re sitting at. I like Brave and many other people do. Just look at any of the other HN posts about Brave. Since I like Brave, from this side of the table it looks like the anti-Brave people come out in full force to try to spew the same old crap and badmouth Brave. At the point it is the tired old crap, which most has been debunked already.

With the referral program and integration with a cryptocurrency, anyone can shill for it. It's hard if not impossible to know if someone promoting Brave has a stake in BAT or not. Those that are showing Braves many problems ("badmouth") don't have a stake one way or the other except to warn people.

That’s a romantic view. There’s folks on HN working for direct competitors of brave. I doubt that everyone defending brave is a shill, or that everyone criticizing it does so with the purest intent as you’re suggesting.
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