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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Dylan16807 »

qeternity wrote: post #184
TX0098812 wrote: post #123

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...no. You can't meaningfully accept terms when they are a requirement to enter the market.

This is absurd. In any other situation you’d never argue this. Ok, so I can just ignore all regulations because I don’t like them? I can sell unsafe food in my restaurant because I don’t want to agree to the terms the government says I must adhere to?

It's not absurd. Have you never heard the term "contract of adhesion"?

And contracts aren't the same as laws and regulations, so throw that strawman out. Laws and regulations are enacted through a process designed to serve the greater good.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by otterley »

LatteLazy wrote: post #412
otterley wrote: post #343

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Apple gets 30% of what the end user pays. IaP has always worked this way. It's a high tax to be sure, but it's not like Apple gets half, or more than half. If you can't run a self-sustaining business with the remaining 70%, then you have two choices at the moment: (1) find a new business to be in, or (2) do what similarly situated businesses do, and use a different mechanism for collecting revenue than IaP.

Saying "That's just how it is" is basically admitting admitting it's wrong but refusing to support fixing it. I get where you're coming from. I think Fanhouse is a bad example case. I won't die on this hill. But if that's the best reason for something, we are admitting there is no good reason for it.

The thing is, we can argue ad infinitum as to what an acceptable commission should be. There’s no “correct” value. No matter what it is, someone will always complain that it’s too high. (Case in point: brick-and-mortar merchants who complain about 3-5% merchant fees for accepting credit cards.)

But the fact that it’s been this way for over 10 years and the app ecosystem has been very healthy is a pretty good existence proof that it’s not as big a deal as some vociferous people (who, in the end, usually just want more money for themselves) make it out to be.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by otterley »

LatteLazy wrote: post #373
jws wrote: post #358

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The only reasonable way to structure the payment is on the gross value. If Apple tried to define it on some net or retained value then Apple would be auditing the developers of 337030 paid apps each pulling their own shenanigans to hide their revenue.

Maybe, but that defacto bans anyone acting as a middle man doesn't it?

I’m not sure the world wants or needs an App Store full of arbitrageurs. It wouldn’t be a very good experience for customers and it would lead even more questionable businesses to leverage it.

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Post by crazydoggers »

defaultname wrote: post #302
smnrchrds wrote: post #161

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Netflix was able to do this because Apple carved out an exception for them by gerrymandering the rules so Netflix could do this. They did that because Netflix was powerful enough. Hey tried to do a similar thing, but Apple was having none of it. They were going to force them to pay them 30%, because they were not powerful enough. When the social media storm made them more powerful, Apple acquiesced.

Apple has always had clear exceptions for video, audio, magazine and newspaper apps. "3.1.3(a) “Reader” Apps: Apps may allow a user to access previously purchased content or content subscriptions (specifically: magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, and video). Reader apps may offer account creation for free tiers, and account management functionality for existing customers." It isn't because Netflix or Amazon a…

Welcome to getting downvoted for posting relevant facts that contradict the group narrative.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

I think these content creators have it too good, they're only taxed about 30% by the government, and 30% by social media platforms, and only 30% by hardware platforms. That's a whole 10% they're left with! Those content creators should pledge 30% of their net earnings to worthwhile causes. It only makes sense.

Besides, look at how much they're earning gross to begin with. A whole $0.99 per app, and $0.04 per click on advertisements! These people are rolling in it.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Dylan16807 »

RandallBrown wrote: post #166

How does Fanhouse work? > We pay creators 90% of earnings. Now, Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse from the app store unless we give them 30% of creator earnings. Apple doesn't know anything about how much Fanhouse gives to creators. They just want their 30% (15% up to a million) for digital content transactions made within the app. If someone pays $10 in the Fanhouse app then Apple is going to ask for $3 (or $1…

> What amount is fair for Apple to charge for payment processing and the infrastructure to actually make the purchases?

Just that? Probably about 3%.

If they're not stacking more fees on top then even 5% wouldn't be an offensive number for payment processing and would give them tons of profit.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by defaultname »

fomine3 wrote: post #443
defaultname wrote: post #302

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Apple has always had clear exceptions for video, audio, magazine and newspaper apps. "3.1.3(a) “Reader” Apps: Apps may allow a user to access previously purchased content or content subscriptions (specifically: magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, and video). Reader apps may offer account creation for free tiers, and account management functionality for existing customers." It isn't because Netflix or Amazon a…

It's just a arbitrary rule comfortable for Apple.

Yes, of course it is. And it's self-serving. Apple saw that they needed to have these cross-platform services -- from big and small and medium sized creators and businesses -- and they carved out exemptions.

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Post by Jcowell »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #165
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

Because Apple is intentionally limiting the mobile web to force your hand to create an app. I've been working on hardware that we've been trying to ship using open technology for the protocols so it doesn't need apps. So focusing on things like WebBT and WebUSB which is almost magic, a user can unbox your device go to a website and then do anything you'd possibly want with. But yeah all falls apart the second it need…

Is there anywhere I can try out this application?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by arvinsim »

lilyball wrote: post #488
hakube wrote: post #461

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What about Patreon?

Patreon probably gets by because a lot of Patreon rewards are physical items, or other services performed by the creator where Patreon (and by extension Apple) cannot guarantee will be received. Meanwhile an app whose subscription model is “you get access to digital content” falls square within Apple’s IAP rules. I’m rather shocked Fanhouse got approved in the first place.

The fact that Fanhouse got approved means Apple's rules are arbitrary.

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Post by torstenvl »

mschuster91 wrote: post #482
torstenvl wrote: post #232

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Which still works out in favor of the debtor, because: (a) they reap the benefit in the meantime; and (b) rising prices benefit retail workers at the expense of those living off savings and investments

> they reap the benefit in the meantime Yeah, but when the CC reward gets cancelled the store still will charge the old prices. > rising prices benefit retail workers at the expense of those living off savings and investments That assumes that retail will distribute extra profits to its employees... which many aren't known for, Walmart and McDonald's are infamous for paying such poor wages that its employees are enti…

> 15$/h is the lowest of the low, even adjusting for inflation would lead to a higher minimum wage

Adjusting the 1938 original minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 1794%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $4.73/hr.

Adjusting the 1945 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 1383.6%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $5.93/hr.

Adjusting the 1950 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 1008.1%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $8.31/hr.

Adjusting the 1965 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 747.8%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $10.60/hr.

Adjusting the 1975 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 396.4%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $10.42/hr.

Adjusting the 1980 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 224.1%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $10.05/hr.

Adjusting the 1990 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 104.3%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $7.76/hr.

Adjusting the 1997 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 66.4%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $8.57/hr.

Adjusting the 2008 minimum wage for inflation (cumulatively, 24.0%) would lead to a 2021 minimum wage of $8.12/hr.

It appears that inflation of the dollar has not happened at quite the same pace as inflation of socialist demands. *shrug*

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