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Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

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Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

#491

The consensus seems to be that SO has peaked some time ago although I still get a lot of value out of it. Why then does nobody seems to think there's an upside to the acquisition? Maybe they can fix some of the problems.

What would an upside even look like? We expect SO to be free, which it is, always online, which it is, and have decent enough moderation to weed out the nonsense posts, which is generally the case. So the best thing that can come out of an acquisition like this is that nothing changes, so there just isn't really anything to get worked up about one way or another.

There don't appear to be downsides in this acquisition, but acquisitions usually destroy the thing that gets acquired (because they either get overhauled, regardless of whether it needed it, or they get folded into a different product, destroying its identity if the old product is even kept around at all), so the expectation for an announcement like this is that the acquired thing is now living on borrowed time.

We'll see what happens.

Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

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post #322

I hadn't heard of Prosus or Naspers before this. Apparently Naspers owns 31.2% of Tencent. Time to revisit my assumptions with respect to how companies are owned.

>Time to revisit my assumptions with respect to how companies are owned. And what would those be? I'm curious

Possibly how weird it is to think of the ownership of ownerships and stakes. Nested

Say there is a large [activist] investor ->

who owns 5% of Naspers ->

which has a sizeable stake in Prosus ->

which has a sizeable stake in Tencent ->

which has a sizeable stake in Epic Games (40%+)

OR

a majority stake in Tencent Music ->

which has a respectable stake in Spotify (7.5%). Not to mention Tencent’s own stake in Spotify (1-3%)

Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

#493

While I'm happy for the people who made a lot of money in this transaction, I always read these announcements with a bit of angst. From a user point of view, I expect this to go like Reddit has, for example. Everyone building that value saw high use value, returns on their investment in the form of information they need, lean, easy to find, high signal to noise. Now there is a debt to be paid. The new owner needs to…

I dunno. Reddit seems like an example of a successful acquisition. Conde Nast managed not to destroy Reddit after buying it. But I agree with you overall. I'm a bit nervous too. Stack Overflow is so good, and its fate is now entirely in the hands of the purchaser. EDIT: In the other announcement post ( https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2021/06/02/kinda-a-big-announ... ): Today we’re pleased to announce that Stack Overfl…

> Reddit seems like an example of a successful acquisition. Conde Nast managed not to destroy Reddit after buying it.

Ehhhh not so sure on that one.

Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

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I agree. Why buying a company if you don’t want to make any change? Investment firms make profits by buying low and selling high, and it is hard to sell higher than the purchase price if things are kept the way it is.

SO being SO has increased it's value year over year. There's no need to change anything, just ride those coat tails to profit.

If the total accumulation of year to year profits was higher than 1.8B, then the current owners of Stack Overflow would've never sold.

Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

#497

While I'm happy for the people who made a lot of money in this transaction, I always read these announcements with a bit of angst. From a user point of view, I expect this to go like Reddit has, for example. Everyone building that value saw high use value, returns on their investment in the form of information they need, lean, easy to find, high signal to noise. Now there is a debt to be paid. The new owner needs to…

I'll just be happy if they keep their Creative Commons licensing.

Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

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post #292

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Something about how mean people are with voting keeps it this way. It's just very hard to get a vote at all. I happened to get a gold badge today for 10k views on an old question. Of those 10k people 17 decided to upvote.

Possibly related: SO requires you reach some number of upvotes before you yourself can upvote. When I use SO and try to upvote a useful answer I'm always reminded that I don't have the privilege of upvoting.

Didn't you also need a few upvotes on comments before it would let you post an answer?

Re: Stack Overflow sold to Prosus for $1.8B

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post #442

Recent discussion about their tech stack: https://stackoverflow.blog/2021/03/30/roberta-arcoverde-stac... Summary: simple as possible, maintainable, no micro-service hell - just a bunch of boxes serving with the cache and highly optimized SQL queries. Know your storage engine. This is yet another example that not getting bogged down in cargo cults, micro-services, and instead solving problems you have will result in…

You can bet your ass if one of these obscenely funded startup takes on the same problem, you are going to see all of that microservices, event sourcing, reactive patterns, service mesh jazz all over the place when they are dealing with like 100k users. And throw in the obligatory machine learning for intelligent ranking or some shit like that.

Correct. Because the whole system is filled with anti-incentives. You can't attract money by demonstrating that you can be frugal. It's absurd.
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