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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Loughla »

LanceH wrote: post #442
ketamine__ wrote: post #380

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But how long does it take you to get it? Most people can walk into a dealership and buy a new car instantly.

instantly - a couple hours of hostile manipulation designed to screw you over It took me 2.5 hours to buy my truck where the price had been determined before I walked in and I had a check in hand. That's after the research to get a price upon walk-in ($6000 less than on the sticker). The process of walking in and looking at prices that everyone knows aren't real and negotiating with someone who is lying to you is bey…

I think internet sales have changed that, though. We got our last car - I did the looking and pricing out online beforehand. We spend about 30 minutes in the dealership when we went to buy it.

They were very straight forward online - all in print in e-mail. You want x car, in y trim level, it costs $z. Are you financing or not?

The only thing they tried to sell us was a maintenance package that, if we lived closer than 3 hours away, actually was a good deal for the cost.

Maybe it's situational based on specific dealer?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

jrsj wrote: post #317
pkulak wrote: post #286

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> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan (which is all that is really worth talking about because pretty much no individual owns the type of delivery vehicle you’re talking about, which are meant for transporting packages anyways). People w…

It's pretty easy to cleanly haul stuff with a suv. You throw a nice, thick blue tarp in the back, load your stuff, boom. Job done. Bonus, it makes unloading easier too.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by m-ee »

ballenf wrote: post #145
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Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

Speaking personally, I've never owned a truck but began considering it during Covid. Why? The cost premium of hiring someone for home improvement jobs vs. DIY seems to have gone up. And the difficulty of finding someone qualified, reputable and with available capacity seems to have become exponentially higher. "So I guess I need a truck" is what I've recently been thinking.

In a similar vein covid changed my recreation habits enough to make me consider a truck/suv. With nowhere to go except outdoors I spent a lot more time camping/kayaking in Tahoe and national parks. Bringing an inflatable kayak, paddle board, and camping supplies for the weekend was doable in my hatchback but not exactly comfortable and wouldn’t work with more than two people. Something with more storage and 4WD drive started sounding very appealing. The F-150 is very competitive with a new 4-runner or Tacoma on cost and features. Just wish it wasn’t so gigantic.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ndespres »

Koshkin wrote: post #369
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. There's nothing "ridiculous" about people loving their toys. (People often own things not because they need them, but because they want them.)

There's something worse than "ridiculous" for insisting on a toy that has so many drawbacks for the people around you while you're using it for your own enjoyment. It's selfish.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by realreality »

ben7799 wrote: post #349
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

The concept of “yard waste” that has to be exported in a vehicle should make you see a flaw in the system. Can you change your system to use trimmings on site or nearby?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #330
xwdv wrote: post #243

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None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

You can fit a surprising amount of 8' lumber in a small car. Full sheets of plywood or drywall on the other hand is another story. Pick-ups are also useful for larger furniture and machinery, but don't discount thr carrying capacity of a car just because it's a car.

IMO sheet goods are easier to haul on car roofs than they are in a truck bed that's too short. A truck bed they can fit flat in is easiest but not the default these days.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by downut »

sharkweek wrote: post #397
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Here in Seattle, I have one close friend with a pickup, everyone else drives Subarus (no exception). But in all seriousness, he gets asked about 1.5x a week if someone can borrow his truck, it's insane how far this "ask" stretches itself. It drives him a little bonkers, but he's also a pretty nice guy so he says yes more than he should. Anyways, I'd probably buy a smaller pickup because of how often my partner buys a…

In the 90s we lived in SF SOMA and I had a 4WD pickup. It was excellent for hauling antique furniture and oddball arty type things (store couldn't possibly deliver). And it was perfect for exploring the Lost Coast, Trinity Alps, Owens & Saline Valley etc. Manual steering, so || parking was a nice upper body workout. The apartment garage space was $100/month, well worth it.

But... the idea that you would have to plug it in on a multiday trip... yeah, I'm laughing. I just drove central AZ->Sacramento->Ft. Bragg->SF->San Jose->Sacramento->AZ in a Prius. Nope, I'm not digging the charging idea.

I don't recall having that many problems with the borrowers. I helped some people move, maybe once a year. The way it works is they reciprocate with something else, or else, you discover they are not your friend. That's useful to know.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Drunk_Engineer »

a2tech wrote: post #196
toast0 wrote: post #153

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Fuel efficiency standards killed the small truck. In the turn of the century EV era, Ford had an electric Ranger which was built on the much smaller (at the time) Ranger platform. But you can't make an ICE small truck that meets the 200x updated CAFE standards, so the small trucks either disapeared (S10) or got bigger (toyota small trucks), or got bigger then disappeared and later reappeared still big (Ranger). An EV…

I have a few friends that are engineers in the auto companies. Its kind of amazing how many negative impacts the CAFE standards had--not on purpose (hopefully), but through unintended consequences. Apparently the Nissan Leaf for example was strictly manufactured to generate credits/offset the environmental impact of the Nissan truck and van line that could not be adjusted to meet the CAFE standards. My dad had a Rang…

The "negative" impacts of CAFE standards were entirely by design. They were written that way to benefit the domestic auto industry, which is very uncompetitive in the small and midsized vehicle segments. By making smaller vehicles uncompetitive (or simply unavailable), it eliminated some serious competition.
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