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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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You'd be surprised how quickly a regular user can eat that these days with electron apps and a browser. My MIL would pretty routinely get out of memory errors at 16GB and she's hardly a power user. Somehow her Facebook tab would clock in at over a GB alone.

Unless you turned off swap, out of memory actually means out of swap, so probably the machine was out of disk space. Safari shows a memory warning when a tab uses ~2GB memory, and can be too aggressive about it.

Activity monitor showed that RAM was full. She did not use Safari, but instead Firefox.

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For now. What happens when Linux or software that runs on Linux starts competing more broadly with Apple?

I'm unclear what that would mean exactly. Some particular market space where a Linux-only based software package is the dominant solution in a business or consumer space? Do you mean a Chromebook?

Let's say some game producer starts making games that run on their Linux platform that in turn runs on Apple hardware.

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ARM didn’t do anything to x86. One specific team at one company did something. Maybe two if you’re super generous and include graviton.

ARM is destroying x86 across the board, not just at Apple. They've long won the mobile space and are now making significant inroads into the server market, long thought to be the last bastion of Intel/x86.

What's the revenue of ARM server CPUs?

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Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

I don't think Apple will go back to creating server infrastructure again. In the interim, I know Amazon created an ARM server chip called Graviton, and I'd like to run a kubernetes cluster on that

I would do truly terrible things for an updated xserve RAID (the most beautiful computing device ever made) that supported SATA or NVME drives.

Right now I've got IDE to SATA adapters in mine, which leaves just enough space to also squeeze 2.5" sata ssd into 3.5" drive caddies.

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Unless you turned off swap, out of memory actually means out of swap, so probably the machine was out of disk space. Safari shows a memory warning when a tab uses ~2GB memory, and can be too aggressive about it.

Activity monitor showed that RAM was full. She did not use Safari, but instead Firefox.

Well that’s fine, RAM is supposed to be full. You’re wasting it if it’s not full. If you’re really using too much, the system will either get horribly slow or you’ll get a dialog asking you to force quit apps. (which tends to come up way too late, but whatever)

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RISC-V doesn't offer the same advantage over ARM that ARM has over x86, so that's unlikely to happen.

I work with RISC-V, it has a lot of features that are not yet well explored. In particular the instruction set extension mechanism is extremely robust and capable, allowing much more FPGA fabric integration that you currently see on ARM devices. As we move towards more programmable logic it'll be a massive advantage going forward.

That sounds really interesting — what makes RISC-V better than ARM for this?

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1 - Apple is not going to enter the server market ever again, especially not the generalist cloud infrastructure 2 - 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, most of them are sub $500 laptops. Amazon best selling is ASUS Laptop L210 Ultra Thin Laptop, 11.6” HD Display, Intel Celeron N4020 Processor, 4GB RAM, 64GB Storage priced at $199 Basically only Mac users who upgraded to M1 are going to notice the…

> 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, most of them are sub $500 laptops. Apple’s share of the total PC shipments is closer to 15% now and their share of the laptop market is even higher.

I tried a variety of Google searches, but I can't find information specifically narrowed down to Apple's share of the notebook/laptop market in the U.S. Can you help me?

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It's pretty crazy how good the Graviton processors are. What's even more crazy is that you cannot buy them . Such price/perf is literally only available to rent from AWS. I hope Oxide does something about this soon; it is a sort of dangerous situation to have such a competitive advantage only be available via rental from a single (large and anticompetitive) company.

Yeah, I kinda wish Amazon would make a Graviton 2 powered laptop or dev machine. It would be really nice to develop directly on the ISA for the instance instead of cross-compiling. An Apple M1 of course works, but more ARM64 laptops need to be available. It's sad that it never got traction in the Windows hardware world.

Future ARM Surface laptops will probably be faster than Graviton per-core but obviously with fewer cores.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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All very impressive, but here's my question: what are they going to do about graphics cards? Will they find a way to connect existing graphics cards to their CPU? Will they make their own ARM-based graphics cards? Will AMD or Nvidia?

They are R&D’ing their own GPUs to vertically integrate according to some rumors from my Apple friends.
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