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Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by ehsankia »

OJFord wrote: post #381
ehsankia wrote: post #338

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Either I'm understanding it wrong or you're way overestimating this issue. Unless you close and open your browser between every single website you visit, this impact is probably negligible. Most people don't even close their browser windows ever between computer restarts.

And when you do restart, every single open tab will/might be able to load everything, unblocked and unfiltered, in the period between Chrome starting, and starting the extension.

I have used Chrome for years with uBlock and I have not once since a single ad go through during launch. So realistically this "window" is most likely negligible, which make sense given how efficient and fast uBlock is. Maybe if you're running on a potato.

On the other hand, I don't want random extensions, which could be misbehaving or poorly coded, to be able to indefinitely delay the browser's launch, even if it comes at the cost of one ad making it through. Imagine having dozens of extensions and trying to figure out which one is slowing down your launch because there's a bug.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by boring_twenties »

Hiopl wrote: post #409
boring_twenties wrote: post #252

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I use DoorDash with no issues on Firefox, with both uBlock Origin and NoScript running, some but not all stuff whitelisted in the latter. I also have some "unusual" settings in about:config that I mostly don't even remember, for instance disabling service workers outright.

Why disable service workers?

They sound scary, I found the explanation as to what they actually are on Mozilla's site to be rather lacking, and I don't see any need to have them -- I've had them disabled for at least a year, and everything works fine.

The question becomes, why not disable them?

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by depressedpanda »

FalconSensei wrote: post #478
matkoniecz wrote: post #449

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Many people do not really care about privacy or are not convinced that Firefox is significantly better.

> Firefox is significantly better Most people use browsers for facebook, gmail, youtube, and things like banking, taxes, etc. It's common that, when facing any issue when using Firefox - with banking and government sites, you are going to be told to try using chrome. So, for the end user, chrome is the better browser, as more sites work properly on it.

People keep saying that web sites don't work in Firefox, but it's never happened to me.

Why is that?

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by randalluk »

ilovepitchdecks wrote: post #489
MereInterest wrote: post #486

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Factually incorrect. Some people have different hourly incomes, by several orders of magnitude. Some people have passive income, which no longer requires any time input. Some people have inherited wealth, which is entirely uncorrelated with their own efforts. While I can see some benefits to having a proportional vote that can be allocated to different issues, money isn't such a vote because it isn't equally distribu…

There's no such thing as passive income; there's only delayed income. You're not getting paid for nothing; you're getting paid for putting in the work ahead of time. What's wrong with that? I never claimed everyone has the same hourly income. Nor should they. Some people work hard (on their career - not necessarily at their current job!), others take it easy. Both are valid options, but there will be consequences for…

Nobody in this discussion has said they're against inherited wealth. Just that its existence is one reason to favour "one person, one vote" over "one dollar, one vote"

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by teddyh »

ilovepitchdecks wrote: post #487
teddyh wrote: post #485

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As if “hypocricy” was the worst possible offense. If you remove government, who will then stop other monopolies from forming in their place? Government is what all governed people, in aggregate, decide should be common principles. If they are not to your liking, then you can either leave or advocate for (often slow and gradual) change. It is often said that people get the governent they deserve; i.e. the problem (if…

Yes, but I wasn't advocating for the abolishment of anything; I was merely pointing out that there's a double standard. To rephrase your words, don't the people get the 'monopolies they deserve'? After all, neither the CEOs nor the employees of these entities are aliens from space. You can't just leave a government the same way you can leave a job (and become unemployed) or a product (become a non-customer); you can…

> Yes, but I wasn't advocating for the abolishment of anything;

You advocated for the government to be broken up like a monopolist would be. I can’t really interpret that any differently.

> I was merely pointing out that there's a double standard.

Yes, it’s a double standard. Now, why do you imply that this is bad? Don’t you have to have special rules for the top level? Like, the root directory is its own parent directory, but nobody complains about “inconsistency” in file systems.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by lillecarl »

DamnInteresting wrote: post #488
lillecarl wrote: post #325

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Name?

It's called "Howdy Stranger", it's listed in both Firefox and Chrome official add-on stores.

You just got yourself an install. The VMware partner portal is so buggy i need to do temporary containers all the time, but this is nice. Thanks mate!

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by MereInterest »

ilovepitchdecks wrote: post #489
MereInterest wrote: post #486

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Factually incorrect. Some people have different hourly incomes, by several orders of magnitude. Some people have passive income, which no longer requires any time input. Some people have inherited wealth, which is entirely uncorrelated with their own efforts. While I can see some benefits to having a proportional vote that can be allocated to different issues, money isn't such a vote because it isn't equally distribu…

There's no such thing as passive income; there's only delayed income. You're not getting paid for nothing; you're getting paid for putting in the work ahead of time. What's wrong with that? I never claimed everyone has the same hourly income. Nor should they. Some people work hard (on their career - not necessarily at their current job!), others take it easy. Both are valid options, but there will be consequences for…

Again, incorrect in every way.

> There's no such thing as passive income; there's only delayed income.

Wrong. If you have $500k in assets, that yields an average of $35k/year, market average over interest. You get paid money for already having money. This is not additional work. This is additional money as a result of having money.

> Some people work hard (on their career - not necessarily at their current job!), others take it easy. Both are valid options, but there will be consequences for the respective groups (both good and bad).

The difficulty of work is absolutely unrelated to the amount paid. Many low wage jobs, such as customer service, landscaping, or meat packing are absolutely ruinous on one's physical and mental health. They are high effort, and low pay. Other jobs are low effort and high income.

Edit: For comparison, Jeff Bezos is 57 years old, and has $192.5 billion. If he were working 24/7 throughout his entire life, that comes out to $107/second. That is 53,140 times the minimum wage. There is no humanly possible amount of effort that is 50 thousand times harder than a minimum wage job.

> If you're against inherited wealth, I expect you to leave none to your own children.

Complete non sequitur. Inherited wealth is an example of how money, time, and effort are absolutely uncorrelated.

Following up on that non sequitur, though, there must be limitations to inherited wealth such that society doesn't separate into a landed gentry. You are also ignoring the middle ground between being against a generational aristocracy and forbidding inherited wealth altogether, such as an estate tax. Even if somebody is morally against inherited wealth, it is not inconsistent to still give wealth to their children, such that they can use it to lobby against inherited wealth. It's the same reason why I donate money to groups pushing for economic and tax reform, rather than deliberately paying more than the current tax rate. I still spend what I consider to be my fair share supporting society that way, and it goes toward making sure that others do as well.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by matkoniecz »

depressedpanda wrote: post #493
FalconSensei wrote: post #478

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> Firefox is significantly better Most people use browsers for facebook, gmail, youtube, and things like banking, taxes, etc. It's common that, when facing any issue when using Firefox - with banking and government sites, you are going to be told to try using chrome. So, for the end user, chrome is the better browser, as more sites work properly on it.

People keep saying that web sites don't work in Firefox, but it's never happened to me. Why is that?

You likely look at different sites, like HN that is well designed rather that a decoration around ad delivery mechanism.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by depressedpanda »

tfehring wrote: post #363
smabie wrote: post #349

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Is Firefox worse than Chrome in anyway? Performance seems on par and it has a truly transformative app that iirc is unavailable in chrome: treetabs.

> Is Firefox worse than Chrome in anyway? IME Firefox is much more of a battery hog on MacOS, Chrome's history page is much better, and some sites (Glassdoor and Google Meet come to mind) don't work properly in Firefox. And I don't really use the developer tools in either but I've generally heard that Chrome's are better. I still use Firefox as my daily driver but it's not flawless.

I don't use Glassdoor, but Google Meet works fine in Firefox, at least as far as I can tell. What issues are you experiencing?

The dev tools in Firefox are better for working with CSS [1], about as good for everything else. I only resort to Chromium when working with PWAs.

[1]: https://youtu.be/a-V8GFtwjos

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

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Post by depressedpanda »

boring_twenties wrote: post #492
Hiopl wrote: post #409

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Why disable service workers?

They sound scary, I found the explanation as to what they actually are on Mozilla's site to be rather lacking, and I don't see any need to have them -- I've had them disabled for at least a year, and everything works fine. The question becomes, why not disable them?

Service workers are used to cache a web app locally in order to make it load faster, and (if appropriate for the app) even run entirely offline. They also enable push notifications, though only after you explicitly allow them. You can read more about this under the umbrella term 'Progressive Web App' (PWA).

I am not aware of any attack vectors specifically related to service workers -- it's just normal JavaScript, but with more restrictions.

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