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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

tester756 wrote: post #477
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need to use a specific method to solve a problem? Especially with something broad like algebra, there are often many ways to solve a problem.

Because teacher on previous lesson tried to teach the class e.g about using derivatives to find extremas, and now he's testing whether you managed to learn it. his job is mainly to teach you stuff. Of course there are also tests where you can use anything you want as long as it is formally correct e.g leaving school exams, end of semester exams and many more... It's not the greatest approach but I guess it scales?

> his job is mainly to teach you stuff

I see the role of a teacher as someone who helps you learn, rather than someone who only teaches you things.

If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method?

If a teacher is dogmatic in their approach, I would call that poor teaching.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by dempseye »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #299
jacobolus wrote: post #292

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> son needs more discipline This does not seem like the right conclusion. More like "needs running around time and free play". Cf. e.g. https://www.alfiekohn.org/article/discipline-problem-solutio... https://www.alfiekohn.org/article/beyond-discipline-article/

Discipline is probably the wrong word. More training in order to succeed in an unnatural environment (modern school) is maybe a better way to put it.

Domestication

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by 908B64B197 »

chewxy wrote: post #483
zionic wrote: post #337

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Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". Yes, exercise definitely helps. But it doesn't make one's mind less noisy internally. Buddhists talk of monkey minds. ADHD is like having a zoo of minds. This anti-medication bias is causing a lot of stigma in society for children who actually…

> Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up".

You are completely right.

What I meant is that I have a feeling that often ADHD is diagnosed out of convenience rather than a real illness. I certainly didn't mean that all ADHD diagnosis are a scam.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by koonsolo »

standardUser wrote: post #291
firefoxd wrote: post #37

This is anecdotal but I'm sure many people are seen this increasingly. In the past 10 years on the job, I'm seeing more guys make jokes about how stupid they are. Every time they make a single mistake they say "oh my God, if my head wasn't attached to my shoulders..." Then it becomes a competition of who has done the dumbest thing. I know it's just being playful, but you rarely see the opposite. Turn the tables, I wa…

Women avoid saying such self-deprecating things because they already have a tougher time than men being listened to, taken seriously, promoted, etc. Not that there aren't exceptions, but most women are acutely aware of how they act and are perceived at work because they start off at a disadvantage. I imagine few men ever think "will my gender get in the way of my ideas, or my work relationships or my career trajector…

I don't fully agree with you, at least not in the European tech world. According to my experience, women in technical jobs have a higher chance of getting hired, winning a presentation award, and being promoted to team or project manager.

On the other hand, I also think that they have a harder time taken serious on highly techical topics, and earn less on average for the same job.

It comes with benefits and drawbacks. I honestly don't know which outweighs which, but putting it all in a negative perspective is unfair and not accurate.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by [deleted] »

anotherman554 wrote: post #466
twgp123 wrote: post #180

Throwaway because this is one of the data points you are required to ignore in polite society. Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better. The effect of biased grading is enormous and a huge disadvantage to our boys. > Gender-biased grading accounts for 21 percent of boys falling behind girls in math during middle school. [1]…

You are citing a study that isn't peer reviewed as a "data point" but when you summarize it like that looks like a factual claim when no factual conclusion should be drawn. It would be an interesting data point if there was any particularly reason to believe the document you cited would hold up to further study.

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by nbardy »

chewxy wrote: post #483
zionic wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". Yes, exercise definitely helps. But it doesn't make one's mind less noisy internally. Buddhists talk of monkey minds. ADHD is like having a zoo of minds. This anti-medication bias is causing a lot of stigma in society for children who actually…

There is a anti medication bias because these psychotropics medications were not designed to be used longer term. I’ve tried medication, it warped me into a shell of my creative self. We’ve got to stop using psychotropic drugs to fit people to society. And starting helping people integrate.

We’ve had risings rates of mental illness for years. And these method of diagnose and prescribe is only making it worse.

There’s obviously benefits to medicine but we’ve gone insane with how we’re describing the mass amount of personal mental variance in the world as illness and trying to eliminate it.

These medications have lasting long term effects that are unknown. If kids that are the brightest are struggling to succeed change the rules not the kids. I learned more when I dropped out and studied what I love instead of following curriculum. We've got to have more varied paths towards success.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by belval »

Inu wrote: post #496

Off topic, but why is this thread (207 points | 5 hours ago | 474 comments) on page 2, rank 37, and the thread about Italo Calvino (62 points | 7 hours ago | 19 comments) on page 1, rank 23?

The HackerNews algorithm uses velocity (I don't know the exact equation) to rank posts so a post with 20 points acquired in a 5 minutes span will generally outperform a 400 points post for which the points are only trickling in.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by tester756 »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #491
tester756 wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because teacher on previous lesson tried to teach the class e.g about using derivatives to find extremas, and now he's testing whether you managed to learn it. his job is mainly to teach you stuff. Of course there are also tests where you can use anything you want as long as it is formally correct e.g leaving school exams, end of semester exams and many more... It's not the greatest approach but I guess it scales?

> his job is mainly to teach you stuff I see the role of a teacher as someone who helps you learn, rather than someone who only teaches you things. If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method? If a teacher is dogmatic in their approach, I would call that poor teaching.

>If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method?

your school leaving exams or next school will probably not care

and they will test whatever they want, so why take a risk?

you can be challenged by a task which is doable in both methods, but "recommened" approach needs 3min in order to get this done,

meanwhile your's solution needs 15min. I mean here that standarized tests aren't some kind of trickery, they just tend to test how many various approaches do you know.

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also how many times can it be done? (deciding that it's ok to use other/easier method instead of "state of art" solution) once? twice? thrice? very often?

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Post by pavlus »

dominotw wrote: post #183
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

Do you think it has anything to do with girls having better handwriting. I couldn't improve my handwriting for the life of me when i was in school and got really poor grades from teachers not being able to read what i was writing.

I've had a terrible handwriting, and we had 'calligraphy' in like 3rd-4th grade or so, where I consistently received 1s and 0s, sometimes 2s (of 12), switched few schools, and the only person who cared enough about teaching me writing, instead of "grading" it, was my math teacher in high school, maybe it didn't become perfect, but it became readable, and for that I'm grateful to her.

Even though I'm mostly typing now, it helped me in university and it helps me sometimes when solving problems on paper is easier than with computers.

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