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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by 0xffff2 »

xbmcuser wrote: post #204

The biggest thing Starlink will bring is competition now people will be shocked at how the older ISP's are suddenly able to provide better speeds for cheaper and no download upload limits. Just like it area where google fiber was introduced.

The primary ISPs competing with Starlink are geo-stationary satellite internet providers. They can't compete with Starlink just based on the speed of light delays inherent to being in GEO. Once I can get Starlink, Hughesnet can offer their service for free and I'll still be more than happy to tell them where to shove their dish.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by jhauris »

shaklee3 wrote: post #197
geerlingguy wrote: post #14

I was able to place an actual order just last week in St. Louis, MO. I will be using it and doing some tests in an area that actually has cable Internet (though spotty, and until very recently was limited to less than 20 Mbps up, no matter how much you paid). But you have to realize, when you look at the $600 initial cost and $100 monthly fee—this will bring 100+ Mbps down and 15+ Mbps up to so many places (even in s…

That's not true. Viasat and hughes cover everywy in the USA with speeds faster than that.

The real limitation of rural satellite services are the data caps. When I was looking at options that was a serious limiting factor. All the bandwidth in the world doesn't matter when you hit your data cap after 2 netflix kids' shows.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by 0xffff2 »

Roark66 wrote: post #420

I went to the site to see the prices... 100eur per month for 50-150Mbit connection? There are no data caps at the moment. I bet there will be soon. That is quite a bit more than people pay for their Internet access around here. I'm out in the countryside and I pay 20EUR per month for unlimited download LTE (15-25Mbps - I have a diy directional antenna to get the service where I am, without it I would get 1mb).I sure…

>I'm out in the countryside and I pay 20EUR per month for unlimited download LTE

You're simply not the target market. I live in the American countryside, where cell service of any kind is a distant memory several miles before I make it to my driveway. I pay $900/month to rent a second house in town because I'm fully remote but my current slow GEO satellite internet at home isn't suitable for remote work. $100/month for broadband internet is a phenomenal deal for me.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by shaklee3 »

jhauris wrote: post #492
shaklee3 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. Viasat and hughes cover everywy in the USA with speeds faster than that.

The real limitation of rural satellite services are the data caps. When I was looking at options that was a serious limiting factor. All the bandwidth in the world doesn't matter when you hit your data cap after 2 netflix kids' shows.

Starlink will have data caps as well. All models show that when loaded with the amount of subscribers they're targeting you will either get very low speeds (no throttling), or they will need to cap/throttle the heavy users. I'm not sure why people keep misunderstanding that the beta performance/price/rules are exactly what will be there for the real service launch. It's simply not feasible.

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Post by shaklee3 »

midasuni wrote: post #295
shaklee3 wrote: post #197

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That's not true. Viasat and hughes cover everywy in the USA with speeds faster than that.

With latency >600ms to the first hop

To the first hop? 600ms is the round-trip latency of geo.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by 0xffff2 »

tylerscott wrote: post #19

Satisfied Starlink user here. It beats the pants off our DSL connection though there are still some hiccups. Outside DSL, all we had available were the high orbiting Hughes, etc. I’m stoked to see more folks have this as an option.

As a Hughesnet customer without even the option of DSL, I'm always sad/jealous when I see these comments. I would gladly pay $100/month for DSL!

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by martinald »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #489
martinald wrote: post #369

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Honestly, it's not that complicated to set up a L2TP or VPN tunnel to a server with routable inbound IP traffic. Most people who would know how to set up port forwarding could probably set it up. I think even some routers support it built in now.

That is additional latency, especially if you can't find a VPS near your ISP.

Fair point but starlink ground stations are all near major PoPs where you won't struggle to find one.

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

robertlagrant wrote: post #360
kortilla wrote: post #253

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Super annoying. FYI every ISP I’ve had that does this has some setting buried somewhere that lets you turn this off. If not that, you can usually bypass this by setting your router (or computer directly) to use 8.8.8.8 (Google dns) or 1.1.1.1 (cloud flare dns) as a resolver. I’ve only heard of a couple of cases where ISPs sniff all dns and rewrite NXDOMAIN responses, and the answer for those is some kind of unpleasan…

Does DoH help with this?

Yes, it would mitigate it, until ISPs outright block all known DoH endpoints (probably not feasible though, too easy to fire up another one.)

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by rlt »

sandworm101 wrote: post #446
rlt wrote: post #229

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Why couldn’t intersatellite laser links have similar capacity to fiber? In principle, if not practice? Is it because ISLs will require more powerful lasers because the light is focused through a lens instead of guided through a fiber?

>> Why couldn’t intersatellite laser links have similar capacity to fiber? In principle, if not practice? Because laser energies, signal paths, traveling through free space must literally share that space with each other. It is effectively one wire. An underground cable can have hundreds, thousands, even millions of wires lying beside each other without interference. It is comparable to the difference between a wifi…

Ok, but I was asking about a single space laser vs a single fiber, not the theoretical limits of many of them.

Space is pretty big, lasers are pretty narrowly focused, and not many people have lasers in space yet.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by rlt »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #498
robertlagrant wrote: post #360

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Does DoH help with this?

Yes, it would mitigate it, until ISPs outright block all known DoH endpoints (probably not feasible though, too easy to fire up another one.)

I wonder if you could block unknown DoH endpoints via traffic analysis. They probably have pretty unique signatures, with every request/response being approximately the same size.

Not that I want to give anyone ideas.

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