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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by ihunter2839 »

joseph_grobbles wrote: post #414
ihunter2839 wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to talk about a nonsensical argument, take a look at the comparison you just made. In the first situation, you have no way of knowing whether the cop even saw you. Or if they were on duty. Or if they were previously occupied responding to some other call. In the second, the app was explicitly submitted for review and approved by Apple. Even more egregious, the app was explicitly mentioned, by name , by Apple…

Let me be more explicit for you, then: I speed past a cop who is pointing his radar gun at me, staring at me , but for some reason he doesn't decide to pursue me (an experience many of us have actually had). Maybe it's an off day for him and he just doesn't care. Maybe he was confused about the speed limit on that stretch. Maybe he is waiting for a bigger fish. Maybe he likes my car (or skin) color and decided to loo…

Down vote away, my challenge still stands for you to catch up to the cop or to pull over and ask "Hey I was just going x over the limit, do you want to give me a ticket?" :P

All jokes aside, I feel that this is a poor analogy that really misses the key issues (in my mind).

A developer creates an app and then submits an app for review. The app is approved and the app starts to build an organic following. At some later date, and without any explicit changes to the app or to the terms, Apple decides that the app is in violation of the terms for information that was available upon review. The developer and app are unfortunately the ones to pay the cost, as the organic growth is deterred. Will the new app be able to recapture the same market share? Hard to say. Regardless of Apple's action in this case, I think it would be in the company's best interest to consider the developer's experience when proceeding with issues like this.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by jchw »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

I couldn’t disagree with this mentality more.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by saagarjha »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

No, they should not do this. They have six years of strong brand value, and they have a fairly solid case. And they have the world (well, part of the world at least) watching. Apple can and does change if you have those things, if you do it right. We did it with iSH (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25028252). If anything, this is their best opportunity to effect change, and I would very much hope they take it while they still have it.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by loceng »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #112
mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

> They kind of have a point How is just using the word or a charicature of it encouraging drug use? This puritanism is a mind disease.

Literalism - if we follow Apple's logic then they're not giving us an apple when buying their products.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by blackearl »

0xEFF wrote: post #359
webmobdev wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. Apple will definitely appreciate it if all of us would just shut up and let them screw us. While I appreciate your well-meaning advise to the author - pick your battles in life carefully - I'd like to add that using your anger constructively at some injustice is a positive move to…

Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

You've never seen the energy drink shelf? "Cocaine" gained notoriety specifically for this.

Go to any gas station to see similarly edgy boner pills, designer drugs like bath salts, things that are genuinely more dangerous.

The dev makes a good point that there are much more explicit iOS games and it's odd for Apple to single him out.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by tengbretson »

0xEFF wrote: post #359
webmobdev wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. Apple will definitely appreciate it if all of us would just shut up and let them screw us. While I appreciate your well-meaning advise to the author - pick your battles in life carefully - I'd like to add that using your anger constructively at some injustice is a positive move to…

Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

My grocery store sells an energy drink called liquid death.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by saagarjha »

ben0x539 wrote: post #482
cmorgan31 wrote: post #403

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The best argument against Apple is the inconsistency in application of rules. If what you say is reasonable why would they also promote iOS apps whose explicit purpose is the simulation of cartel wars or marijuana dispensaries? My hot take is one doesn’t make much money for Apple while the others provide a clear incentive to act willfully ignorant given their in app revenue streams.

I think this is the weakest argument? Selective enforcement of rules is a time-honored tradition and seems to be explicitly reserved as the right of the rules-enforcer everywhere. It might be a good argument in a hypothetical debate about the fairness and compassion displayed by Apple, but I don't think you'd get far with it convincing either Apple itself or even a court if one somehow was interested.

It’s a weak argument because Tim Cook has personally testified in from of Congress that the rules are not selectively enforced.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by wayanon »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

I agree with this response 100%. Don’t use valuable mental calories on this. Just adapt. Use the saved energy on something more deserving of your time.
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