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Re: School or Prison

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Post by ineedasername »

em-bee wrote: post #488
ineedasername wrote: post #442

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That doesn't mean a student doesn't miss something when they're away from school. Self-paced just changes the timing. The dynamic is not comparable to a work environment where someone else might be able to do the work for you. No one can learn for your child when they are away, and that fact doesn't change with less rigidly structured Montessori schools.

it definetly does mean that they don't miss anything, because the students just resume where they left off without any pressure to speed up.

They still need to actually learn the stuff. That's my point based on your original comment: You're comment was comparing work to school, and that normal schools were bad in some way because at work you could miss time and someone else would step in. I said, repeated, and will say again: learning does not work that way. No one can step in for you. Montessori doesn't change that. It changes the timing and, sure, the direct pressure from the teacher. That doesn't mean there isn't some type of pressure: from the parent, from the other students that are obliged to help in their co-operative learning structure, etc.

I'm not debating the merits of Montessori schools. I'm saying the "missing time" aspect of your comment does not have a good analog from work to learning. That's all.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by saagarjha »

in_cahoots wrote: post #432
pavel_lishin wrote: post #176

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Our principal refused to let students leave campus, as a student had gotten in a car wreck over lunch and died at a previous school. So, there's some logic there. They are nominally responsible for you during school hours.

That seems reasonable to me. Lunch breaks are typically ~20 minutes long in high school. It’s easy to think, “I can go pick up food 10 minutes away” without considering the line to exit the parking lot, walking to the car, etc. A bunch of teenagers speeding to beat the bell is a terrible idea, and can definitely lead to tickets or deaths.

I have always heard of lunch being about an hour long…

Re: School or Prison

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Post by em-bee »

ineedasername wrote: post #491
em-bee wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it definetly does mean that they don't miss anything, because the students just resume where they left off without any pressure to speed up.

They still need to actually learn the stuff. That's my point based on your original comment: You're comment was comparing work to school, and that normal schools were bad in some way because at work you could miss time and someone else would step in. I said, repeated, and will say again: learning does not work that way. No one can step in for you. Montessori doesn't change that. It changes the timing and, sure, the d…

i am not concerned about who is doing the work, but when it needs to be done.

missing time means, that you need to work overtime to make up for it.

at work this is not normally the case. if the work can't be done by someone else, then it will simply be delayed. the timing changes. same with montessori learning. you will simply delay all your learning by a few days. which is not a problem at all because everyone is learning at their own pace anyways.

contrast that with traditional schooling where overtime is the only way to catch up with your classmates

Re: School or Prison

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Post by mbrodersen »

throwaway998662 wrote: post #266

As someone who's been to prison and school, lots of comments here sound pretty tone deaf. Prison in the USA is really bad. Yes school is authoritarian, but most popular entertainment on prisons downplays how bad it really gets. Watch some interviews of people who have actually been to prison. Murder and rape is common (I saw it happen), you will get your possessions stolen under the threat of murder/rape, you'll prob…

The US prison system is purposely designed to be as violent, demeaning, and inhuman as possible. So you can argue that it works perfectly the way it was designed to work. The official theory is that it somehow will reduce crime. That hasn’t happened obviously. And yet the system continues. So obviously the real purpose of the US prison system is not to reduce crime. Other countries has for years shown how to effectively reduce crime without torturing people.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by mbrodersen »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #410
endominus wrote: post #406

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You can test that by looking at data from countries with less abusive prison systems. IIRC, they typically have much lower recidivism rates.

That 100% ignores cultural, education, diversity, and tons of other issues. Yea, I bet recidivism is low in Norway, who also has a very small chapter of MS13 or whatever gang you like, coincidentally. I disagree you can look to some other country and make a fair comparison. The only way to do it would be to look at rates before and after some policy change.

What has diversity got to do with anything? Australia is a country of immigrants with people for all over the world living with dramatically less crime per capital than the US. Are you claiming that certain races or cultures are somehow inherently more criminal? If yes please provide evidence.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by mbrodersen »

thayne wrote: post #293
throwaway998662 wrote: post #266

As someone who's been to prison and school, lots of comments here sound pretty tone deaf. Prison in the USA is really bad. Yes school is authoritarian, but most popular entertainment on prisons downplays how bad it really gets. Watch some interviews of people who have actually been to prison. Murder and rape is common (I saw it happen), you will get your possessions stolen under the threat of murder/rape, you'll prob…

I know a judge who has said the US "corrections" system is not designed to correct criminals and prevent future crimes. It's designed to punish people.

That is blindingly obvious. The US culture has an undercurrent of cruelty against the poor/people of colour. The prison system is a prime example of this.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by jeena »

o-__-o wrote: post #301
jeena wrote: post #271

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Although it might make sense to do some research about all this snacking all the time. It seems that while in the 50ies people ate 2-3 times a day nowadays its more like 6-8 times a day and we have a huge epidemic of obesity and diabetes. 4 hours without food seems very short, it only would be a problem if the main food source would be fast carbs which let the blood sugar drop very quickly afterwards.

You should eat 6-8 times a day but smaller meals to prevent obesity. You should also avoid carbs in a majority of your meals and added sugars in all meals. Stick to healthy fats and the obesity problem reduces to none. Obesity comes from ultimately consuming more calories than calories exerted. Your body learns (maybe this is the wrong word) to store fats when there are long periods of time without eating

I strongly disagree with the 6-8 times, my strategy is one meal a day and it seems to work much better for me.

I strongly agree with the avoiding carbs and sticking to healthy fats and that it reduces the obesity problem to none.

I definitely agree that obesity comes from consuming more calories that exerting.

I strongly disagree that fat gets stored when you don't eat for a longer time. The exact opposite is the case, nothing can be stored when you don't eat. When you rise blood sugar the body releases insulin which is the fat storage hormone. So the less often you do it the less fat gets stored.

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