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Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Post by kazen44 »

kolinko wrote: post #483
eecc wrote: post #297

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No. There’s significant evidence that sudden overnight market manipulation (e.g. setting exchange parity to the eastern and western Deutsche Mark destroyed all eastern consumer goods industries, which were bought for symbolic sums and then deliberately shuttered.) it’s obvious that any such fundamentalist and radically liberalist policy would have tore through any economy, but the point was to smother Carthage, and s…

https://i.imgur.com/jp4spsj.png One country took the radical/liberalist path, another chose the one that doesn’t tarnish the economy. As much as I hate libertarians today, in 1990s they did an awesome job.

this graph does not take into the account the massive geopolitical difference between ukraine and poland, especially considering poland had far more possibilities in regards to joining and integrating with western european economies compared to ukraine.

Don't forget that prior the collapse of the USSR, ukraine was not an independant country from russia, while poland has always been "independant" during socialist times.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Post by samat »

iguy wrote: post #423
f6v wrote: post #415

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Keep in mind that Gaidar is one of the most controversial figures in Russian history.

Would be interested in links discussing this, if you know good ones (in English!). Who's the anti-Gaidar one should read to see his opponents point of view?

Sadly I don’t know any serious economist who would oppose him. But yes, he was demonized by state run media in the last years and hence is a controversial figure.

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Post by starik36 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #438
starik36 wrote: post #384

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> The USA has economies of scale that Europe still does not have. If anything Europe has larger economies of scale. EU population alone is 446 million and that's not including countries that chose not to be part of it.

Translating your product into 30 different languages is pretty expensive, as is finding local representatives who know their markets and can advertise efficiently. Americans are much more culturally alike to one another than they are willing to admit. And from the standpoint of e-commerce, shipping charges across Europe are expensive compared to the US. We do not have any common, reasonably priced service similar to…

What you said is true, but that doesn't take away the fact Europe still has larger economies of scale. Not every product needs to be translated.

> Americans are much more culturally alike to one another than they are willing to admit

I'd argue that French are about as different from Germans as Alabama is from New York.

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Post by TMWNN »

stiray wrote: post #465
TMWNN wrote: post #459

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>Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the Asia. None left for USA. On the other side I know a CTO that left USA for Europe and bought a small property in France where he lives with whole family. Now let me give you actual statistics. In a survey of scientists from 16 countries ( http://spectrum.ieee.…

Sure, I have never argued with that. Meanwhile (since 2012) Trump happened, race unrest's, police brutality, corona handling fiasco, Google/FB/Amazon public image is going down, USA public depth has roughly doubled [1] and general perception of USA has changed (to the worse[2]), China is hiring, student depth is going trough the roof (and immigrants want to have children someday), no one believes in "war on terror" a…

I see that you deleted your further attempt to mock my presenting statistics in exchange for your anecdotes (I had no idea until reading your contributions here that that in the US there is no "actually having friends, nature, having hill-climbing organizations that aren't only lobist groups to be actually allowed to climb the mountains").

But since you did bring up Germany with the deleted mention of Operation Paperclip, I suggest you read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25367731 , in which @bildung and I discuss German migration to the US over the past 30 years (including 2019 data).

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Post by Eridrus »

rusk wrote: post #420
cnmlqk wrote: post #331

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We would be using another subset of SGML otherwise. There's no way that something resembling the WWW wouldn't have been invented without CERN. And Einstein's patent office was cheaper.

Yeah well it wasn’t and in all the years since nothing better has been either. And the reasons for that are specifically the flaws in the commercial approach.

The modern web is nothing at all like the original one, so I don't really feel like it makes sense to say nothing better has come along: many new things have come along and replaced what was originally created.

But the bigger problem with arguing for projects like the LHC or the moon landing based on the side benefits of what was invented there is that there isn't really a demonstrable causal link and it provides no real support for any of the actual projects being undertaken, just to the idea of employing smart people in an environment with free time.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Post by kolinko »

kazen44 wrote: post #491
kolinko wrote: post #483

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https://i.imgur.com/jp4spsj.png One country took the radical/liberalist path, another chose the one that doesn’t tarnish the economy. As much as I hate libertarians today, in 1990s they did an awesome job.

this graph does not take into the account the massive geopolitical difference between ukraine and poland, especially considering poland had far more possibilities in regards to joining and integrating with western european economies compared to ukraine. Don't forget that prior the collapse of the USSR, ukraine was not an independant country from russia, while poland has always been "independant" during socialist time…

As for geopolitical differences - how about Estonia/Lithuania/Ukraine? I’m not sure how the went about with their provatisation in 1990s.
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