So, now that the repo is back up, how many of you have pulled a fresh clone of it?
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#492A gem in the EFF's letter ( https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/11/2020-11-1... ) > To borrow an analogy from literature, travelers come upon a door that has writing in a foreign language. When translated, the writing says "say 'friend' and enter." The travelers say "friend" and the door opens. As with the writing on that door, YouTube presents instructions on accessing video streams to everyone who comes…
For those that haven’t experienced the joy of Tolkien’s writing, this is a reference to the Elvish inscription on the Doors of Durin in The Fellowship of the Ring , that is simultaneously a riddle and literal instructions on entering.
Is it accurate to say more than 90% of HN readers have seen that movie?
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. Github is acting like the knight in shining armor, but they really didn't do anything except respond to the backlash their complicit no-questions-asked removal caused.
On the contrary, they’re doing a lot, including establishing a $1M legal defense fund for developers and a technical team to review the validity of anti-circumvention DMCA notices. It seems like they’re doing a lot more than just paying lip service to EFF / developer freedom, and they should be commended for it.
They’re correcting a wrong because their reputation took a big hit in the dev community. Now there’s big talk of the dangers of not self-hosting your repo and the monoculture of using GitHub.
Although it probably has good intent, this is largely PR.
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#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
This may be completely true in a technical sense, but that's not how the law works (see https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 ). And while the same bits pass through your connection, this equivalence already breaks down right away: There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory.
>There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory. Is there? When "streaming" video, there most certainly is a copy of the bits being stored on a disk to ensure that the video "stream" plays cleanly and without interruption. Are you making the claim that "streamed" video is never buffered/stored on disk? That's an odd claim to make. I'm no expert on video…
That's again exactly the technical detail fallacy the comment you replied to is arguing against. No, they are not making the "odd claim" you suggest. They suggest that laws make the difference when deciding about infringement. E.g. by explicitly excluding temporary copies created while watching as intended, where it doesn't matter how the OS and the browser handle the memory internally, but a thing that results in a file on disk the user keeps is clearly different. (Similarly to how software being copied into swap-backed memory while you run it is not an illegal copy, whereas copying the file elsewhere might)
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Microsoft won't square off with the RIAA since they're part of it.
So Microsoft sent a bogus DMCA takedown request to Microsoft, and the non-profit EFF had to respond to keep Microsoft from suing Microsoft? Microsoft also has a program for matching employee donations to non-profits, so its likely Microsoft has also given money to the EFF as well.
I guess that's one way to put it :-D 2020 sure is a strange year.
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#496Earlier quoted context omitted.
For those that haven’t experienced the joy of Tolkien’s writing, this is a reference to the Elvish inscription on the Doors of Durin in The Fellowship of the Ring , that is simultaneously a riddle and literal instructions on entering.
Is it accurate to say more than 90% of HN readers have seen that movie?
What movie? I think you mean, “read the book.”
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#497Rather interesting that GitHub decided to restore access 1 day after receiving the EFF's counter notice, instead of waiting 10 days. As a brief legal recap, in 1998 the DMCA added §512 [1] to US copyright law, which established a mechanism for shielding 'service providers' from liability for content posted by users (known as 'safe harbor'), but only as long as they follow formal procedures (known as 'DMCA takedown')…
The youtube-dl incident was not a section 512 takedown. There was no infringing material, i.e., content, to remove. The RIAA letter made no mention of section 512, referring instead to section 1201. Neither did this letter from EFF refer to section 512. This was not a section 512 takedown. The rules in section 512 do not apply.
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Sadly, I don't think there is any risk for them for "losing developers en-masse to competitors". Everyone who seriously considers to leave the platform has already left when they were acquired by MS and/or continued to work with ICE, and both of those only caused a miniscule amount of people to leave.
I have a rather large project that is in a stage where asking "where do we host it?" is appropriate. I was > Happy to push to Github now. It's a data point of one, but there you go..
This is in no way meant to offend you: You thought about it, but you didn't, just like most people do. It's easy to say you would do something, but actually going ahead and doing it and going against the mainstream is a whole other thing entirely. If that's the data point you want to offer, than it seems like it was just supporting my point.
(And who am I to judge, I've resigned to using Github as well...)
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#499We need some billionaire to step in and lobby against organisations like RIAA to make them illegal. First one who does it, will be forever remembered as the one who saved artists and their fans. RIAA only protects labels who obtain rights to art in questionable manner (just read so many stories about artists being cheated by the label). We need something that will be paying artists directly and there is technology to…
Labels must go too. Artists legitimately needed them when distribution required physically producing and distributing media to stores. With the advent of the internet, this is no longer required, so these middlemen serve no practical purpose any more. They're an unfortunate holdover.
For mainstream labels, sure, but independent labels still serve an important curatorial role.
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Plenty of it? I regularly download the metadata and subtitles of entire channels or playlists so that I can search for specific words or phrases in thousands of hours of video. I know of no other way to accomplish this.
This sounds incredibly powerful. Wondering if c-span is on youtube and properly close captioned.
According to their FAQ, c-span.org's search uses closed captioning to facilitate search (but they don't provide copies of those transcripts.) Perhaps that might suite your needs though.