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Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by raxxorrax »

someperson wrote: post #419
cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

At this point it's clear that Facebook have "won" VR. At least for the current generation that's mostly focused on gaming. The original Oculus Quest is already really good, and was constantly sold out for almost its entire lifetime, and now Facebook are selling a near-4K resolution headset with a top-of-the-line Snapdragon XR2 for $299. I have been considering starting an open firmware project for the Oculus Quest 2…

> The original Oculus Quest is already really good, and was constantly sold out

I accidentally bought one until I realized the mistake and bought a rift S a day after that. Want to buy it? It is as good as new.

Thought about selling it on ebay but got a bad conscience to sell it to some kid, even for a good price.

Jokes aside I think not needing to connect a PC has to be the future, but I would expect the device to be able to run a conventional OS. Currently I think it will stay a dream however.

Otherwise VR devices have amazing capabilities already. A few more pixels would be good, but you will quickly need a lot of processing power.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by justchilly »

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

How much would you be willing to pay for a comparable headset without a required facebook account.

Clearly FB is planning to extract value from this, and is why they can price this at just $299. They're betting customers will give up some data/privacy for that low price.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by kruczek »

kbenson wrote: post #477
kruczek wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point it's clear that Facebook have "won" VR. Eh, it doesn't look clear at all to me. It looks like its main advantage is slightly higher resolution than Valve Index and wirelessness. On the other hand from what I read Quest 2 only now will finally get 90Hz - this is what even old Vive provided. And Index goes beyond that - up to 120 and 144Hz. Also I wonder how Quest's screen quality compares to Index, bes…

> And with Facebook behind Quest, I consider Index to be cheaper - I'll take $999 any day over $299 + my data. All that really means is you have enough disposable income that it's actually a decision worth even considering. For most people it's aimed at that's not the case. This isn't Gmail for free vs some paid service for $5/mo, this is more than three times the cost for something that already costs multiple hundre…

I'd say all it means is I value my data above $700, which I understand is not the case with many people. If I would not have enough disposable income, then I wouldn't buy Index nor Quest.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by ponker »

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

Facebook is probably selling this at a loss... who can compete with that?

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by ponker »

brundolf wrote: post #448
someperson wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John Carmack does several hour-long sessions at every annual Oculus Connect event (now called Facebook Connect). [1] [2] He has often spoken about deeply optimizing virtual reality by peeling back all the software layers. From his annoyance at the Android's process scheduling on the GearVR to writing custom microcode for the Qualcomm chip's Digital Signal Processor to try and optimize playing PC games (over Oculus Li…

Inside-out tracking works perfectly well in the Windows Mixed Reality headsets too. It's not insurmountable.

So it takes a $500+ billion company to crack this nut.

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Post by imtringued »

msie wrote: post #414
tomc1985 wrote: post #412

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What about Valve Index?

Don’t bet on Valve. They don’t have a killer business instinct. They take their sweet time to get anything done. Plus their Steam machine “console” idea was crap, anyone could see that from day one.

I've seen HN comments that think if Epic and their games are kicked off consoles they are going to make their own console instead. I don't think "anyone could see that from day one" is true if people still think so about a different company, whose game store has less selection.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by Jestar342 »

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

HP's Reverb G2 looks really good.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by jobigoud »

rainyramen wrote: post #44

I wonder how the FB leadership team thinks about this whole FB/Oculus integration. It is clear that they think adding a "social" component to Oculus is going to help the Quest gain traction. But the question is, why does that "social" component have to be Facebook? With all the negative baggage a FB account carries with it, maybe the easier option would've been to let Oculus build its own social model, à la Play Stat…

I'm fine with them adding optional social stuff. People have different interests.

But why does it have to be mandatory? It doesn't make sense. They paint it as something to facilitate social, well yes, let people login with their FB account if they want to, but don't make it a requirement.

If Instagram and Whatsapp don't require a FB account to work there is zero reason Oculus would.

This artificial and completely unnecessary tying is very disappointing.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by monsieurbanana »

kruczek wrote: post #493
kbenson wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And with Facebook behind Quest, I consider Index to be cheaper - I'll take $999 any day over $299 + my data. All that really means is you have enough disposable income that it's actually a decision worth even considering. For most people it's aimed at that's not the case. This isn't Gmail for free vs some paid service for $5/mo, this is more than three times the cost for something that already costs multiple hundre…

I'd say all it means is I value my data above $700, which I understand is not the case with many people. If I would not have enough disposable income, then I wouldn't buy Index nor Quest.

Your comment was about whether facebook "won" the VR segment, not whether facebook won over you specifically.

I'm sure many people in hackernews value their privacy above $700, me included, but that's clearly not the point here. We're just a blip in facebook's radar.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by chrischen »

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

Just make a dummy facebook account. No one is forcing you to give them your real personal info.
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