Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

Post by rumanator » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 6:05 AM UTC

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Both. Perl is around 20x slower than C for common tasks, while Python is around 133x slower than C for common tasks like looping, depending on what you're doing of course. Perl is the ultimate mockup language in that you can crank out code very fast and get good bug free results. It lets you write in the way you think where other programming languages force you to write a specific way. Ofc you can get good at Python,…

I don't think your performance numbers are very accurate. I've done a bit of Perl and a lot of Python and they're fairly comparable in most cases. Python is lightning fast for a lot of scripting tasks and I generally use very few libraries for day to day tasks because the Python stdlib is so good. Unless you're doing something really simple with Perl command line switches that operate over an entire file, I'd bet Per…

Post by JohnBooty » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 6:25 AM UTC

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I wrote a lot of popular web apps in Perl, some that appeared in NY Times and Time mag. I quit around 2010 and went over to php which is easier. Wrote a great app and built a successful software biz around it. I think 2010 may have been when Perl 6 felt hopeless and there was no clear leadership or direction in the community. Mod_perl was the sh*t back in the late 90s for super high performance web apps on Apache. Th…

Perl’s lunch was eaten more by Ruby IMO. The bifurcation happened as the Perl programmers that wanted a more traditional OOP system picked up Ruby and the folks writing Bash++ oftentimes went to Python. These days it seems like Ruby is where Perl was in 2010.

    These days it seems like Ruby is where Perl was in 2010

Post by theshrike79 » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 6:34 AM UTC

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I've been a perl zealot since 2005. I didn't even know "python" existed until around 2008 when I found a script file with a ".py" file ending in a fresh ubuntu install. I started going to perl conferences sometime after 2010 when someone on irc informed be about them. I learned so much in those conferences, mainly about the alternatives to cgi and the modern OOP "framework" named "moose". I thought I was in heaven. I…

> it is not the notorious "write only" language that many troll it to be I dispute that. I have worked with many languages, and Perl has always been one of the hardest to remember due to non-standard symbol abuse and a few strange semantics. There is a reason it has that reputation. Even writing it isn’t easy. I can describe the Python syntax after years of not using it. Perl? No way I remember it.

Post by carlmr » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 6:51 AM UTC

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> it is not the notorious "write only" language that many troll it to be I dispute that. I have worked with many languages, and Perl has always been one of the hardest to remember due to non-standard symbol abuse and a few strange semantics. There is a reason it has that reputation. Even writing it isn’t easy. I can describe the Python syntax after years of not using it. Perl? No way I remember it.

The problem is that it takes a lot of skill to write elegant Perl. The easy way is the one that produces write-only crap.

Post by joshuamorton » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 7:02 AM UTC

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> How does one tell Python to pass the contents of said array as distinct parameters to the function, instead of as a lone array parameter? With an asterisk: method(*array)

Right, which I sorta kinda get why coming from C - a *something is the thing pointed to by that something. How is that more understandable than @ vs \@ without knowing the language? My guess is it isn't.

   a, *, b = [1,2,3,4]
   def foo(*args):
   bar(*[1,2,3])