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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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It's sad but the internet has a lot to answer for, the ability for us to access unfiltered and blatantly false information and for it to appear no different to peer reviewed and true information is leading humanity to disaster. Ideally we'd be able to have a chain of trust of information, the same way we have a chain of trust for certificates, with peer reviews from experts giving credence to articles and statements.

Some stuff is plausible but wrong, like taking certain antiviral drugs to combat Covid. Others completely defy everything we know about physics, like 5G spreading Covid. And some stuff is true, like staying at home breaking the chain of transmission. But people believe all of the above and none of the above appear different or are treated differently on social media sites.

Some of the opinions and statements that influential people say are dangerous and either harm directly or cause others to harm and a lot of them build on existing divisions further breaking apart our communities.

A few days ago we had an earthquake in my home city, our liberal prime minister was having a live interview when it happened. On news sites when they played the interview the comments were full of people saying it was Trump blowing up tunnels which were being used to traffic children as sex slaves by the liberal government.

That's obviously insane, not least because I live on a group of islands 3,000 kilometres away from the next country and that's one hell of a tunnel, but also because that's not a thing that governments do in transparent and well run democracies.

Unfortunately there's a subset of the population who are unstable and prone to believe anything, and the fact that it's discredited probably drives them to believe it more. But there's a much larger subset who are susceptible to arguments but not critical of them and may be more inclined to see reason if given information backing that up.

So, the question is how do you debunk blatant falsehoods while still balancing peoples freedom to believe what they want.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#492

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It's the place that regularly gets quoted on major networks and newspapers. This is a minority website with nowhere near as much impact.

That still doesn't make it _the_ place for political discourse. Reddit gets quoted quite often. Tons of politicians do AMA on Reddit and Facebook. Just because Trump is on Twitter doesn't make it special.

Every major public figure is on Twitter. That is the difference. Reddit is still small fry.

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The problem with Twitter and Facebook is that the lines are getting blurry with regards to public vs private. Like it or not, a couple tech platforms are the de facto new town squares. Not saying I have any answers, just saying it's definitely not a clear issue anymore.

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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not aware of it being illegal to stand on a soapbox and say racist things in a public park. If you're screaming at the top of your lungs, sure, maybe ?

Well, yeah, I suppose it depends how loud you're screaming. I was imagining someone shouting as loud as possible, which you'd definitely get stopped for in many places.

Aren't you just talking about the volume then? You could be screaming the most wholesome things about unicorns and rainbows and still be loud enough to be a public nuisance, and loud enough that authorities will have the right to ask you to pipe down.

In America, no matter how big of a community mall, management can always remove you for good reasons (using racial slurs, even at normal volume), silly reasons (they didn't like the color of your hat), or no reason at all, as long as it's not for a prohibited reason (because of your race). Whereas authorities cannot remove you from a public square for no reason or silly reasons, only for good reasons specifically identified by law (like public nuisance).

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I'm not sure this is the case anymore. McConnell and Trump have been rapidly filling the courts with young, right leaning justices. See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/28/thanks-tru...

From my observations left leaning means apply liberal criteria to decisions. Right leaning means adhere to the Constitution and law of the United States of America.

Both right and left adhere to the constitution and law. The difference is that each side interprets the constitution and the law differently.

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The biggest takeaway, looking past the headline: “This week a federal appeals court, ruling in a case brought by conservative activists against social media companies, affirmed that private websites are not public spaces and social media companies don't have First Amendment obligations. Any truly strong limits to Section 230 would almost certainly require action by Congress.”

Its an interesting thought experiment to assess in what ways Twitter is a "private website". It really is a public web space that is operated by a private company, but I can't help but feel that the nuances and similarities of what Twitter really is and what responsibility they truly hold in society is above the courts comprehension.

If you're intellectually honest and advocate for a system that controls people, turn over the keys to your enemies for a dry run.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Regardless of ones views pertaining to the current president, does anyone feel comfortable with so called "fact checking"? I do not like anyone acting as the sole arbiter of truth, whether it be the president, the pope, or the random fellow screaming in the park. I prefer that corporations trust their users to make their own choices about what people say instead of making edits or including addendum's to peoples post…

In this particular case, Trump is right, and Twitter is using its fact-check with false information. Just scroll through the confirmed cases of voter fraud here, it's mostly mail-in and absentee: [PDF] https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/p...

How exactly does 1000 cases of fraud over 40 years back up his tweets in any way? The voter fraud argument is a political weapon for voter suppression. Not to mention that mail in ballots are already in existence. Heck, I've used them the past 5 years myself.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#498

Is it not the case that the fact checking is not going to change any of Trump's followers? If all the bullshit that he has been spewing over all these years has not deterred his followers, showing facts will not. It is been clear that Trump's only agenda is to make people turn against each other and profit from it and he will keep using any chance he gets to do that.

There are many people who are new on the Internet, or simply doesn't know much about politics, etc.

I think adding context, trying to be more rational (even and especially with using tools/technology) is something everyone, who isn't so lucky as to have been born into a life of careless dumbness, values.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my observations left leaning means apply liberal criteria to decisions. Right leaning means adhere to the Constitution and law of the United States of America.

So in this case what does the Constitution say? And where does the Constitution say that a corporation spending money is speech?

You can twist the Constitution in both directions.

You could say that the value of free speech is so important to society that it is codified on the Constitution. These companies that become big enough platforms should respect that value.

You could also say that the Constitution provides free speech protections to everyone. These companies should benefit from those same protections, thus the government shouldn't be able to interfere what these companies publish.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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The biggest takeaway, looking past the headline: “This week a federal appeals court, ruling in a case brought by conservative activists against social media companies, affirmed that private websites are not public spaces and social media companies don't have First Amendment obligations. Any truly strong limits to Section 230 would almost certainly require action by Congress.”

I don't think that section 230 is about First Amendment. I thought it was about whether a company can be shielded from law suit on the content published on the company's website. That is, how to classify a company as a platform or as a publisher.
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