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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by carapace »

propogandist wrote: post #373
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

keep in mind that spotify mines an incredible amount of data. This is what someone got when they did a GDPR request few years ago, and companies have only gotten more aggressive in the amount of data they're capturing https://twitter.com/steipete/status/1025024813889478656

Ah, shit. That's creepy as hell.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by dang »

lol_u_cuck wrote: post #454
dang wrote: post #357

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> It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies. If you broach the topic in this way—jumping straight to an inflammatory statement on one of the most divisive of all topics—you're guaranteeing a flamewar. That's vandalism, nay, trolling. It breaks the site guidelines, damages this place badly, and you've done it more than once before. You also committed to us that you wouldn't to do it again.…

Facts are inflammatory!

People frequently bring this up with a triumphant tone, as if they have the point that trumps all points and they can't wait to blow its horn, certain that all opposition will crumble before them. I'm not sure what's going on there, since there's no logic in this. Is it magic imputed to the word "facts"? Or an inability to think beyond one step? If it made sense, you could win any argument by shouting "1+1=2!" over and over. It's a fact!

Go one step beyond that magic word to see that nothing follows from this. There are infinitely many facts. They don't choose themselves. Humans do that, and they do that for complicated reasons that have nothing to do with "facts" being transparently pure and true. Previous comments on this: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

Errors of logic aside, the GP comment was not "facts". The word "brutalize" is an interpretation, not a fact—and let's not get started on "feminism".

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by throwaway20148 »

chroma wrote: post #443
look_lookatme wrote: post #321

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In track and field the 800m race is my favorite race because it's every bit training and determination as it is natural ability. Here are the results of the women's Olympic 800m championship in Rio in 2016: https://www.olympic.org/rio-2016/athletics/800m-women Here are the results of the 2016 Texas UIL 5A high school boys 800m championship in 2016: https://tx.milesplit.com/meets/224994/results/451208/formatt... If th…

In the women's 800m in Rio, the top 3 all had XY chromosomes and lived with high testosterone levels through puberty. - Caster Semenya[1] (1st place). Here is an interview with her.[2] - Francine Niyonsaba[3] (2nd place). Here is an interview with her.[4] - Margaret Wambui[5] (3rd place). Here's an interview with her.[6] I see a lot of people saying things like, "Where are all the world class transgender athletes tha…

> “Where are all the world class transgender athletes that are dominating men on a routine basis?"

Who says this? Most people I think naturally assume that’s not going to ever happen.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by chroma »

deanCommie wrote: post #421
chroma wrote: post #410

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You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

Sorry, that's not a great analogy. Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it? I understand that there is one perspective on free speech that says any restriction means that in the future people will abuse it to suppress ANY ideas they disagree with, and I find that this is only true with a very specific type of religious, authoritarian, American, republica…

> Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it?

No. In fact I thought I explained that pretty clearly. I said, "So far, we haven't figured out a way to separate good ideas from bad ones besides exposing people to them and seeing which memes reproduce in the population. In other words: If you ban people like Alex Jones, you also ban people who are activists for causes that society will adopt in the future. And we all end up worse off." I don't know how you can interpret that to mean that I am somehow in favor of Jones.

> The entire western world bans holocaust denial, and it hasn't led to a chilling effect on other expressions.

That's not true. For example: David Irving's version of the Goebbels diaries is considered by many (including the late Christopher Hitchens) to be an important work. Irving was imprisoned in Austria for holocaust denial because of something he said 17 years earlier.[1] Apparently the statue of limitations is a long time when it comes to words. There are quite a few other examples, not to mention the chilling effect such laws have. There are also tiny annoyances such as Germany banning the swastika in Wolfenstein games and on models of Zeppelins. Is Germany's society so fragile that a symbol can topple it? They seem to think so.

These laws have a cost. Maybe they're worth it. Maybe they're not. But don't pretend they're pure upside. Many countries have no laws about holocaust denial and get along just fine. Personally, I prefer places and platforms where I can decide for myself what I'm allowed to read and hear.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by blargmaster33 »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #381
shoulderfake wrote: post #282

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I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

Phobia is a medical condition! Accurately describing reality is not!

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by chroma »

throwaway20148 wrote: post #493
chroma wrote: post #443

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In the women's 800m in Rio, the top 3 all had XY chromosomes and lived with high testosterone levels through puberty. - Caster Semenya[1] (1st place). Here is an interview with her.[2] - Francine Niyonsaba[3] (2nd place). Here is an interview with her.[4] - Margaret Wambui[5] (3rd place). Here's an interview with her.[6] I see a lot of people saying things like, "Where are all the world class transgender athletes tha…

> “Where are all the world class transgender athletes that are dominating men on a routine basis?" Who says this? Most people I think naturally assume that’s not going to ever happen.

I was quoting verbatim from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23242020

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by metrokoi »

willis936 wrote: post #469
isoskeles wrote: post #462

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Whose lives did Alex Jones threaten?

> Whose lives did Alex Jones threaten? Is this a genuine question? This is HN, so it should be. However, I’m not sure how you can be this far down into this chain and not know about Sandy Hook, since it is the very incident that pushed him over the line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_s...

At the risk of sounding like a troll, I don't see anything in that link about Alex Jones threatening lives.

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Post by dntbnmpls »

Barrin92 wrote: post #59
vsdvvsderer wrote: post #57

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What happens if the conspiracy theorist is someone you agree with? Do we still avoid mainstreaming them?

I wanted to avoid starting a discussion about conspiracy theories which is why I qualified it as personal, but given that you're asking, I categorically reject conspiracy theories because conspiracy logic is by definition paranoid, and I don't believe any of them.

So you believe the official account of everything? Authority is everything to you?

What about all those conspiracies that turn out to be true? Libor rate fixing, US tapping merkel, certain groups in media conspiring with certain political party, etc? Every war we've been involved in the last few decades have been conspiracies. Or did you forget about yellowcake?

Extreme paranoid thinking is detrimental but so is extreme naivety. Categorically rejecting conspiracy theories is as ridiculous as categorically accepting official narrative.

So do you accept everything Trump says as gospel? Should we shut down CNN/MSNBC/etc since they peddled conspiracies about Putin owning Trump?

For someone who rejects paranoia, you seem quite paranoid about conspiracies...

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by carapace »

fareesh wrote: post #413
raptortech wrote: post #309

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Americans aren't disturbed by Alex Jones. They're disturbed by the number of Americans who actually believe Alex Jones

Jones is no more ridiculous or dangerous than your average holy book though. Furthermore his vision of the future is coming true by being sympathetic to the idea of an all-powerful tech platform.

He was bragging the other day about eating his neighbors.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by chroma »

mycall wrote: post #460
chroma wrote: post #410

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You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

> you are also preventing people from reading what they want to read or hearing what they want to hear. That harm is far greater than whatever happens to the author. When long-term under-informed people mumble over insane issues on a macro scale, sometimes a barrier should be summoned to simply get their point of view on record. Once you get to see their insanity, you can begin to sanitize back to common sense. imho

OK, but that raises another question: Who decides? Censorship requires a censor. Who are you willing to let decide for you what you're allowed to read and hear?

I don't know about you, but I'd like to decide for myself what media I can consume.

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