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Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by dang »

jamespollack wrote: post #472
dang wrote: post #343

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Self-respect?

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting. If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask…

I don't think those things. If you're curious about what I meant, I'd of course be happy to share. But this comment and your others are making me feel like that might not be a good idea to try right now.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by cambalache »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #468
cambalache wrote: post #456

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If you think checking reddit or HN at work is a cardinal sin, be my guest and run yourself to the ground doing 80 hours a week with no respite, ignoring that many many studies place peak cognitive performance at 4 hours a day at best,be a "10x" engineer and get promoted.Unless you are laid off, but that rarely happens so dont worry.

You're still pushing this false dichotomy that you can either surf social media or beat yourself to death. You're arguing against a straw man.

Yes! The one you created. If you're already working 4-5hours a day (as in actual working) you are giving all to the company. If you answer silly mails or check Reddit or whatever the other 3 hours is actually not a big deal and not a big dip into your productivity. Not a black hole by any means.

If you think otherwise you are not only being "dumb" (compared to the "street-smart company"), you are being an economical irrational agent, so you will naturally be taken advantage of and get worst (not better) returns (not only money, things, like health, free time, meeting a SO, raising a family) in the long term.

The fact that you willfully go to that extreme only shows how toxic is the Calvinistic worldview implanted in many people in the anglo western world and how companies ruthlessly exploit it.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by youdonthavekids »

zentropia wrote: post #79
noad wrote: post #21

I used to get called a 10x developer, I was also called a rockstar and a ninja and a 100x dev and every other compliment that was hip. Then I hit 30. That type of talk stopped. Then I hit 40. Now I will not be considered for any entry level, mid level, or senior level software dev job anywhere in the United States, despite being very desperate and willing to relocate for anything. Doesn't matter. Too old. I'm suppose…

I am 46 and here in Spain I get plenty of offers to work.

Tell us more about Spain. I'm considering moving there from Australia as my wife loves Europe. I'm a principal architect in my 30's mainly doing Java / ecommerce / web and pre-sales. Does the weak economy make it hard to find well paid jobs compared to somewhere like London?

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by quickthrower2 »

dang wrote: post #491
jamespollack wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting. If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask…

I don't think those things. If you're curious about what I meant, I'd of course be happy to share. But this comment and your others are making me feel like that might not be a good idea to try right now.

Yes it’s a complex emotive topic with lots of overlapping discussion and with terms like “self respect” meaning different things to different people.

The deeper into the thread the harder it is to make a point as I don’t even know who I’m answering and what they meant and what points of their comment ancestors they are answering to!

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

dang wrote: post #490
jamespollack wrote: post #473

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What are you on about? Here's the post I replied to below, it said nothing about self-respect. You're the one who brought that up and still haven't explained how compensation factors into your "best work" / "self-respect" chain. Please, do share. ------------- > Congratulations, you are now 3-10x developer. Congratulations. You are still getting paid the same. Boosts in productivity need to come with boosts in pay, o…

I was replying to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23034090 , which was a comment by someone else. On HN, please omit rude swipes like "What are you on about?", "Please, do share," and "So if someone X, you think they should Y, and nobody should complain because 'Z'? Wild." Even if you're talking to a mod, you still need to follow the rules. I also need to, and you and anyone else are welcome to point it out when…

that's not what happened. if you click the link you included, your "self-respect?" comment isn't on that thread at all. because it was a reply to my comment. you're intentionally misrepresenting what happened.

let me point out how you "slipped" and took a "rude swipe" - you don't play by your own rules.

i made a post, you replied to me just saying "self-respect?" implying that i had none.

how can you just drop insulting comments like that on people who are just participating in conversation? two words, no explanation, just plain rude.

Isn't your "self-respect?" comment in bad-faith, given your own rules?

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

"Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

From the New Yorker profile of you:

"They treat their community like an encounter group or Esalen workshop; often, they correspond with individual Hacker News readers over e-mail, coaching and encouraging them in long, heartfelt exchanges."

Is that just BS? What was encouraging or heartfelt about your response to me?

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #489
jamespollack wrote: post #478

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that's on me, looks like it was below the fold and is still there for now. but you're likely about to send it to the bottom for being off-topic, like you did last month. i've posted the same thing for 3 or so months in a row and there haven't been any changes. it's not even like you have to do anything other than say, "Please include some of this info".

That's part of the problem. It's not ok to keep repeating the same comment on HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... My issue is not "with engineers being able to compare processes between companies", it's with you (or any user) hijacking the job board with meta opinions about how the job board should be organized. Meta discussion all too easily takes over a thread and is particularly off…

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Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #490
jamespollack wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you on about? Here's the post I replied to below, it said nothing about self-respect. You're the one who brought that up and still haven't explained how compensation factors into your "best work" / "self-respect" chain. Please, do share. ------------- > Congratulations, you are now 3-10x developer. Congratulations. You are still getting paid the same. Boosts in productivity need to come with boosts in pay, o…

I was replying to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23034090 , which was a comment by someone else. On HN, please omit rude swipes like "What are you on about?", "Please, do share," and "So if someone X, you think they should Y, and nobody should complain because 'Z'? Wild." Even if you're talking to a mod, you still need to follow the rules. I also need to, and you and anyone else are welcome to point it out when…

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Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #489
jamespollack wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's on me, looks like it was below the fold and is still there for now. but you're likely about to send it to the bottom for being off-topic, like you did last month. i've posted the same thing for 3 or so months in a row and there haven't been any changes. it's not even like you have to do anything other than say, "Please include some of this info".

That's part of the problem. It's not ok to keep repeating the same comment on HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... My issue is not "with engineers being able to compare processes between companies", it's with you (or any user) hijacking the job board with meta opinions about how the job board should be organized. Meta discussion all too easily takes over a thread and is particularly off…

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Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

dang wrote: post #489
jamespollack wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's on me, looks like it was below the fold and is still there for now. but you're likely about to send it to the bottom for being off-topic, like you did last month. i've posted the same thing for 3 or so months in a row and there haven't been any changes. it's not even like you have to do anything other than say, "Please include some of this info".

That's part of the problem. It's not ok to keep repeating the same comment on HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... My issue is not "with engineers being able to compare processes between companies", it's with you (or any user) hijacking the job board with meta opinions about how the job board should be organized. Meta discussion all too easily takes over a thread and is particularly off…

so what's the way to do this that doesn't break the rules? just an Ask HN post about how to improve Who's Hiring posts?

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by [deleted] »

hoorayimhelping wrote: post #120
ScottFree wrote: post #95

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> Sounding desperate. Why is that a negative signal? The company has the opportunity to get top talent temporarily down on his/her luck for a reduced rate.

Confidence and desperation hardly ever align. Confident people who plan don't get desperate. Desperate people don't make good decisions. People who let themselves reach levels of desperation are either extremely unlucky (unlikely, but not someone you want on your team regardless) or chronically make bad decisions. At the worst, they're a person who chronically makes bad decisions and thinks they're unlucky. Standard:…

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