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The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by xalava »

Fiahil wrote: post #269

I completely agree with this article. The iPad hardware is absolutely wonderful, it's light, gorgeous and powerful. I got the latest iPad pro to watch Netflix in bed and it fills that purpose completely. However, the OS running on the machine is bad. Very bad. The multitasking is horrifying. The Files app is unusable (especially if you want to access your files from an FTP server). You have to use your finger to sele…

I wonder how much those problems are related to the design of the OS or to commercial strategies.

I am under the impression to have a well designed base layer and apps. Then if I want anything more or different, I can use other apps that are secondary citizens with each their own isolated subscription/cloud/format strategy.

The ecosystem of free apps that you can find on desktops (mac, windows, linux) of reliable text editors, command line tools, syncing software ... seems to be missing.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by fatbird »

mdorazio wrote: post #363
koboll wrote: post #326

I do digital painting on the side, as a hobby. In that field, the iPad Pro, specifically the Procreate app, has been revolutionary -- every single famous digital illustrator, concept artist, and comics artist I follow on Instagram has one, and they post gorgeous work done on them regularly. It's the only tool that comes remotely close to challenging the gold standard workflow of Wacom tablet + Photoshop, and Wacom an…

I'm curious why iPad Pro and not Surface, which from my (admittedly limited) use has always had digitizer responsiveness and functionality at the same level, with the benefit of also being a computer with all the normal software workflow and hotkeys.

I've tested both and, as of a few years ago, the Surface was still laggier than the Apple Pencil on an iPad Pro. I bought the pro and a pencil just for digital drawing/painting, and any perceivable lag is a killer. I'd been waiting decades for something like this.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by enneff »

jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

I was excited when the iPad was first released, bought one, and to my surprise I found I didn't have any regular use for it, and sold it.

I still think they're very cool devices—in particular the latest iPad Pros are gorgeous—I just wish I had some use for them that wasn't already covered by my computer, phone, or TV.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by aksss »

amiga_500 wrote: post #488
snapetom wrote: post #411

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I feel that Apple has lost its way with OS design in the past 5 years or so. Not at a macro level, but at a micro, "little things" level. Launch anything Apple-written these days and you'll get a wizard telling you how to use some new widget - just like any other software by anyone else. I don't think Apple has ever done that before because features were designed so well, you can easily figure it out. Then there are…

Itunes was utterly terrible. My iphone is terrible. Apple make very, very bad software. And their hardware is overpriced. And they deliberately make people pay more for accessories like their pointless new audio port. Android is superior in every way, except (I'm told) on privacy. I cannot comprehend why anyone buys apple. I have to have apple for my work phone, and I hate it. Just today I was wrestling with their dr…

> Find in page on a web page First question is where the F is it, second question is why the F did they put it there?

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Post by CarlRJ »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #382
fulldecent2 wrote: post #353

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The main design theory of Apple is simple: come up with a great usability feature and deploy it on one model. Then spend the next 5 to 10 years spreading this out to their other models. When people stop buying, just swap in a higher specced component from Intel and talk about how it is 2x faster.

The Apple watch case is infuriating. Since the new series 5 is a very minor incremental upgrade from the 4, they discontinued the latter, but still sell the 3. This way the comparison table between 3 and 5 make it seem like the 5 was a bigger improvement.

That's not their reason for discontinuing it though - there's no reason for them to sell the 3, 4, and 5. Probably retooled the 4's assembly line to make 5's.

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Post by GuiA »

derefr wrote: post #462
koboll wrote: post #326

I do digital painting on the side, as a hobby. In that field, the iPad Pro, specifically the Procreate app, has been revolutionary -- every single famous digital illustrator, concept artist, and comics artist I follow on Instagram has one, and they post gorgeous work done on them regularly. It's the only tool that comes remotely close to challenging the gold standard workflow of Wacom tablet + Photoshop, and Wacom an…

> Hunting and tapping through menus on a touchscreen is, by nature, going to be slower then having your left hand ready to hit the undo command at a moment's notice. I’ve seen DJs and other performance-artist using mixing software that actually spreads its control UX over several tablets. I wonder why no professional studio program has copied that? (I’m not suggesting you’d need to own, like, five iPad Pros. More lik…

Would love to see those demos if you can remember where you saw them!

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Post by derefr »

jandrese wrote: post #410
ljm wrote: post #405

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It’s identical and it’s aggressive. It’s more forgivable on the iPhone but I don’t reckon so on an iPad Pro. Oftentimes I’ve been underground and I’d go back into Safari to read a page I already had open, but it triggers a new request with no internet connection and then blows up. I would hope that at least the last open tab would be held in memory or otherwise heavily cached when the signal degraded enough to preven…

Yep, and it's really frustrating when the tab was just a static webpage with some text you want to read. It has the iOS baked-in assumption that you always always have fast Internet access.

Putting something into your Safari Reading List saves it for offline access. If you want to read a webpage later on mobile (and it won't parse through Instapaper/Pocket for some reason), that's probably the way to go, vs. leaving it open as a tab.

Though, admittedly, I never got it to work right at actually using the offline-snapshot versions of pages when I was, er, offline. Even though it clearly had them taking up space on the disk.

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Post by lostgame »

rorykoehler wrote: post #486
lostgame wrote: post #397

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In absolutely no way is this the case. The iPads screen will always be a toy compared to proper AKAI pads. It’s not even velocity-sensitive.

Fair point but it's much further hamstrung than it needs to be and it would be easy to add velocity after the performance.

>> it would be easy to add velocity after

What? In no way, especially for drums.

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Post by derefr »

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #466
Terretta wrote: post #437

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You seem a little overconfident that it’s unusable for text entry or programming workflow. I type holes through the rubber keyboard skin in about 6 - 9 months I do so much text entry. Silk screened key caps are mostly gone by month 3.

Have you considered a mechanical keyboard? Those generally last a lot longer- like the switches are rated for something like 50 million presses, and if you get some good keycaps, you should be set for life. r/mechanicalkeyboards is a good place to go for help, esp. if you check the wiki.

Is there a mechanical keyboard... keyboard cover?

(I already know the answer is no, but it'd certainly be neat.)

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Post by beatgammit »

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #483
jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

I still remember people saying that the iPad was just going to be a big iPhone and what is the point? I NEVER understood this. I was one of those people that was immediately excited about the iPad. Being able to lay back in bed and casually browse the web, read magazines, watch movies, play games? On something with a decently large screen, decent battery life and something that wasn't bulky? PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY!!!!…

Eh, I'm still not particularly excited about iPads or tablets in general. Tablets are awkward, to the point that I prefer:

- my phone for casual reading and watching (6" max) - my Kindle for longer reading sessions - my laptop for mobile productivity and gaming - my desktop for serious work/gaming

We mostly use our tablets to distract our kids, especially for long road trips. My wife has started using a tablet for drawing in lieu of a desktop drawing tablet, but that's about as close to "real" use of a tablet that we have.

It works out really well for some people, but I just don't see it.

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