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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by lightedman »

claudeganon wrote: post #65
dfsegoat wrote: post #4

Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

> We have fires caused by illegal cooking fires at these encampments. Be careful about tossing around this kind of rhetoric. I heard the same story about a fire in my old neighborhood in LA. It turned out that the son of the head of Chamber of Commerce started it trying to firebomb an encampment. https://ktla.com/2019/09/04/suspects-in-eagle-rock-brush-fir...

"Be careful about tossing around this kind of rhetoric."

It's literally the cause of every fire in Riverside County so it is FAR from rhetoric, it is FACTUAL. It starts in the riverbottoms, from homeless cooking fires.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by mrep »

intopieces wrote: post #457
ericfrenkiel wrote: post #414

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I would say it’s your own bias which is informing your opinion. California has only gotten more “progressive” with each election. If that makes you happy, I hope you understand that it’s “progressive” policy which has caused crime to explode, housing prices to rise, and people to leave the state.

> hope you understand that it’s “progressive” policy which has caused crime to explode Crime has not exploded in California. California’s violent crime rate rose in 2017—but it remains historically low. The statewide property crime rate decreased in 2017. Crime rates vary dramatically by region and category. Violent crime increased in a majority of counties but property crime decreased in most counties. [0] [0] https…

I don't trust any property crime "stat" in any moderately sized city. Every single person I know whose had property crime happen to them which is in multiple cities and states doesn't even bother reporting it because the cops won't do anything so it's just a waste of time.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by zootam »

jimmaswell wrote: post #470
narrator wrote: post #309

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Forcing homeless services into an area and the subsequent homeless people entering your neighborhood is the politically correct 21st century version of blockbusting[1]. I suspect this is probably why Amazon, not exactly a friend of poor people, is putting homeless shelters in their offices, so they can lower the surrounding real estate prices and more easily expand[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting […

Drifting the topic but I've wondered why they don't section off some good wilderness land to let homeless people make a kind of wild west type town for themselves. If I was homeless I'd certainly rather live off the land in that setting with a nice cabin even without electricity, catch my own meat, and generally be able to be self-sustaining than sleep on concrete and panhandle.

There are different kinds of homeless people.

Some of them might do well in such a setting.

But more than a few of them would be disruptive and ruin the land and ruin it for everyone else.

There are plenty of articles and videos about what ends up happening to these encampments- they turn into dumps with piles of used needles and lots of human waste. The last thing you'd want is something catching fire and spreading.

Generally, most habitable 'live off the land' type of places are spoken for already, no nearby property owners are going to approve of such a 'zone'.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by tjr225 »

roenxi wrote: post #476
mint2 wrote: post #449

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You seem to have a lot of judging and questionable assumptions in your post.

There is a very pronounced trend of people migrating away from states that are controlled by Democrats for reasons that are potentially ideologically driven policy failures. This raises a a very real and material question for the new host community - do the migrants understand why the situation became so intolerable that they felt they should move? Migrants bring new ideas so a certain amount of discomfort and change…

Statistically, people are moving from rural areas and to urban areas. Rural areas tend to be conservative and economically depressed. Urban areas tend to have high paying jobs and be liberal or progressive.

Aside from a few state/city couplings(Omaha, NE comes to mind) a US "State" is a poor indicator of differentiated policy or ideology. People in Atlanta or Miami or LA or Seattle have a lot more in common with each other than some might think.

Moreover, it seems like you're attempting to paint the picture that a typically Democratic State is somehow worse off than a conservative one. I'm positive that a person born in Washington or California almost always has a better statistical and economic outcome than someone born in the Deep South, for example. So, it seems if I were correct(and I'm almost certain I am), the spade is doing something right.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by tropo »

unixhero wrote: post #386

As an European, what's the difficulty to get a citizenship for the US in 2020?

The situation is really only difficult for a handful of countries with very high migration. You aren't in China, India, or similar. It ought to be pretty easy for you.

Note that this is based on birth country, not your current country.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by grandmczeb »

harimau777 wrote: post #348
grandmczeb wrote: post #324

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I've been to plenty of neighborhood meetings. The "issue" most of the time is a personal anxiety over change. Why should society cater to that?

I don't necessarily disagree with you; however, strictly for sake of argument, a couple of potential reasons: - Providing a sense of security strikes me as a core role of society. - People who are afraid tend to be willing to resort to draconian measures like NIMBYism to protect themselves. - Anxiety that things could change so much that one is unable to follow their chosen way of life strikes me as a reasonable fear…

You’re assuming the process we have resolves their feelings when it does not. If anything, we’ve normalized the idea that new development is bad and as a community member you should be fighting it, leading to more resistance than there would be otherwise.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by nradov »

bsder wrote: post #432
ericfrenkiel wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say it’s your own bias which is informing your opinion. California has only gotten more “progressive” with each election. If that makes you happy, I hope you understand that it’s “progressive” policy which has caused crime to explode, housing prices to rise, and people to leave the state.

> California has only gotten more “progressive” with each election. That is different from "damping the extremes". Why is it so difficult for those on the "conservative" side to believe that the election outcomes reflect the will of the populace when they actively reject "conservatism"? > I hope you understand that it’s “progressive” policy which has caused crime to explode This is a dog whistle way of saying "homele…

Texas is actually the top state destination for people leaving California. I don't know whether we have any data about their political views.

https://www.sfgate.com/expensive-san-francisco/article/move-...

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by hiram112 »

Daegalus wrote: post #439
jedberg wrote: post #55

Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…

I'll chime in and say that I just moved from California to Washington in September of last year. While its not a huge change, its enough to make a difference. Factors on why I did it: - Housing costs #1. I got into a rent controlled 2 bedroom 1100 sqft duplex unit. It was ok, but the landlord sucked and the place was very unmaintained, and i was paying $2800 a month. No yard, no garage, tons of homeless around diggin…

> Political climate was getting intense. Things were being taken to extremes, and I was honestly afraid for my safety if I accidentally interacted incorrectly with the wrong parties.

Can you explain this point a bit more? Are you talking about political tensions, e.g. Antifa beating you up if you dared wear a MAGA hat, or am I misunderstanding you.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by qqqwerty »

syshum wrote: post #286
weiming wrote: post #148

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Tongue-in-cheek comment that I've read somewhere is that folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat to bring back the same policies they wanted to escape from.

>>Tongue-in-cheek it is not Tongue-in-cheek , democrats fail to make the connection to the policies they support and the effects of those policies. See the polices are suppose to "fix" those problems and when they inevitably fail because socialism is not workable, they do not blame socialism they blame the execution, it just was not done "correctly", so if the just vote in the correct democrat this time socialism wil…

Prop 13, one of the major factors in the CA housing crisis, was a Republican led initiative passed in 1978. This may come as a surprise to you, but CA was Republican leaning until fairly recently (remember Arnold Schwarzenegger?). A lot of the factors that are contributing to the current housing crisis were established long before CA turned solidly blue.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #460
toomuchtodo wrote: post #52

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Yes, and Florida real estate market fundamentals as well as the mortgage bond market and property insurance support my thesis. I specifically paid for sea level rise models before buying Florida real estate, and will likely sell before I die and sea level rise has meaningfully occurred. I-4 and I-75 will be untouched, and other infra is already designed around the Florida environment (hurricanes, high water table). S…

> Due to Florida’s population, federal funds are likely to be requested and paid out to mitigate It’s Florida’s population and the fact that it’s a swing state. We really need to get rid of the electoral college. I love how the same voters in Florida that vote for candidates that bail out Florida will vote against any measure to provide broad subsidies like universal healthcare or education. Of course, it just so hap…

The more people your state has, the more representation it has in the Congressional House. This isn’t about the electoral collage, but representation in general. States with more people should have access to a proportional amount of funding.
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