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Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

#491

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We still have actual slavery and wage slavery isn't much better.

Which part of this is wrongthink to the HN overlords?

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? We're trying for a bit higher quality level than internet median. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit more to heart, we'd really appreciate it.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of this is wrongthink to the HN overlords?

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? We're trying for a bit higher quality level than internet median. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit more to heart, we'd really appreciate it.

Please explain the problem with my comment on slavery. The first part is factually accurate, the second is a valid opinion to express.

I was downvoted, why?

You know what whatever. I know better than to ask HN moderation for any sort of transparency or any dedication to actually fostering discussion vs just reinforcing the particularly awful groupthink that dominates this place.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? We're trying for a bit higher quality level than internet median. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit more to heart, we'd really appreciate it.

Please explain the problem with my comment on slavery. The first part is factually accurate, the second is a valid opinion to express. I was downvoted, why? You know what whatever. I know better than to ask HN moderation for any sort of transparency or any dedication to actually fostering discussion vs just reinforcing the particularly awful groupthink that dominates this place.

oh look, downvoted again.

The downvoting system on this site is a really broken by design sort of feature. It's entirely just a manner to ensure the groupthink stays on track.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? We're trying for a bit higher quality level than internet median. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit more to heart, we'd really appreciate it.

Please explain the problem with my comment on slavery. The first part is factually accurate, the second is a valid opinion to express. I was downvoted, why? You know what whatever. I know better than to ask HN moderation for any sort of transparency or any dedication to actually fostering discussion vs just reinforcing the particularly awful groupthink that dominates this place.

Factual accuracy isn't enough to make a comment substantive, and the point about "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here, not throwaway lines.

I've posted thousands of comments explaining HN moderation—probably tens of thousands, in fact—so I'll have to differ with you on it lacking "any sort of transparency". What would you like to know?

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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There are plenty of examples where unions can be a constructive force in securing good working conditions while promoting good business practices. Given the poor reputation of video game development work this could be a really positive development. That being said, the last time I had a unionized job I was pretty disappointed with the results. They consistently failed to secure cost of living adjustments, and the one…

your anecdote seems to support the case for stronger more populated unions with better negotiation outcomes.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain the problem with my comment on slavery. The first part is factually accurate, the second is a valid opinion to express. I was downvoted, why? You know what whatever. I know better than to ask HN moderation for any sort of transparency or any dedication to actually fostering discussion vs just reinforcing the particularly awful groupthink that dominates this place.

Factual accuracy isn't enough to make a comment substantive, and the point about "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here, not throwaway lines. I've posted thousands of comments explaining HN moderation—probably tens of thousands, in fact—so I'll have to differ with you on it lacking "any sort of transparency". What would you like to know?

> What would you like to know?

What are the actual rules? You are the most arbitrary and least transparent mod I've ever dealt with. You wield the word "unsubstantive" as a cudgel. You seemingly only hold the goal of stifling discussion that might be against the accepted HN positions. The result is board that yes, does mostly lack flame wars. It's also bland and processed and almost impossible to contribute to, and I lay the blame on that squarely on you. The very poor downvote system does not help. Restricting downvotes to high karma users just lets a handful of people dominate discussion.

> "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché

7 million+ working poor. Millions more one unexpected expense away from financial ruin. "empty cliche".

Also could explain to me why this

> > We live at the absolute _extreme_ of capital power over labor power.

is fine. This response

> No we don't, that is called slavery.

is fine.

But my post reaches the bar of unsubstantive flamebait.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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How do you justify taking away my right to choose where and how I work?

You're free to quit a union job whenever you want. Be part of the group or don't work here. My justification is that it drastically increases the strength of the union.

Why would I quite my job, when I can instead try and sabotage the union, in whatever way is possible for me to do so?

If they are going to screw me over, then I am going to screw them over first.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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I read all of this as "Major union seeks to extract rent from an additional sector". I agree that putting developers on death marches is antithetical to everything that is human, but it's not like you don't have options in this industry... Tech work isn't like coal mining where your health is legitimately at risk on a daily basis, and where the number of alternative options available to the average worker is low to n…

I read this as, “More computer science jobs to be shipped overseas”

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

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post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Factual accuracy isn't enough to make a comment substantive, and the point about "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here, not throwaway lines. I've posted thousands of comments explaining HN moderation—probably tens of thousands, in fact—so I'll have to differ with you on it lacking "any sort of transparency". What would you like to know?

> What would you like to know? What are the actual rules? You are the most arbitrary and least transparent mod I've ever dealt with. You wield the word "unsubstantive" as a cudgel. You seemingly only hold the goal of stifling discussion that might be against the accepted HN positions. The result is board that yes, does mostly lack flame wars. It's also bland and processed and almost impossible to contribute to, and I…

No response and more downvotes.

Exactly what I expected.

Re: Major union launches campaign to organize video game and tech workers

#500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would you like to know? What are the actual rules? You are the most arbitrary and least transparent mod I've ever dealt with. You wield the word "unsubstantive" as a cudgel. You seemingly only hold the goal of stifling discussion that might be against the accepted HN positions. The result is board that yes, does mostly lack flame wars. It's also bland and processed and almost impossible to contribute to, and I…

No response and more downvotes. Exactly what I expected.

I didn't see your response till now, and the downvotes were from other users.
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