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Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Hmm, well I'd honestly do just about anything I could to avoid macOS. If only I could compile iOS apps without it, I wouldn't have to deal with their backwards and incapable UI. Hopefully soon I'll be able to use VSCode to remotely work on my Mac though! - https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-remote-release/issues/24 > You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. No they don't. Not the market for people wh…

>> I wouldn't have to deal with their backwards and incapable UI. Well, that’s, like, your opinion, man... No, seriously, I feel the same way about Windows’ UI. I mean, did you ever use Windows 8? And Windows 10 has built-in ads by default in the UI/UX? Windows XP SP3 was peak Windows, IMHO - the awful part about them making an abortive mess bastard child of the UI/UX in 8 was that there are millions of non-techie pe…

I don't know anybody that does serious work on iPads. Every quarter there are only ~9 million iPads sold for every ~34 million Lenovo/HP/Dell laptops and half of those iPads have got to be for kids from what I can see.

Sure, an iPad is fine for consuming documents and doing light markup. However, if you're going to create things you're going to need to be multi-tasking and - hey, I have multiple iPads and I use them all the time - but I'd love to have a contest between what I can get done with Windows/Linux versus what you can do on an iPad because there's just no comparison as far as I can see.

I'll add macOS to that too. It's not even in the same class as Windows/Linux. I watch people using macOS daily and I swear, they are constantly swiping to find that full-screen app they lost because of the complete lack of window management in macOS. They'll put Chrome into full screen and then struggle to get the detached devtools window back up. They'll have to install things like iTerm with it's own tiling manager, to manage 3 terminal windows. Apple just doesn't care about practical things, they are constantly focusing on how things look, how thin or light they are or how they can make the most amount of money by removing options and claiming everything is always better that way, when really it just serves to remove the amount of work they have to do to support things like you know, physical buttons, headphone jacks, options/modes in software and so forth.

Anyway, the UI in Windows 8 and 10 were also completely configurable to make it more like the original Windows UI. If you don't like the default configuration you can change it or install 1 program (7+ taskbar tweaker) to make it just about perfect. What I really, really like is being able to do things the way I want to do them and not the way some godless corporation has decided it should be. Apple just gives you nearly zero choice compared to Windows and most obviously, Linux. They're just on the wrong end of the spectrum for how I like to do things.

And I never got any ads on Windows - just pre-installed apps like Candy Crush and Skype. I'm assuming they installed Candy Crush because it's a lot, lot more popular than Solitaire or Minesweeper with today's crowd. This is no different than Apple pre-installing things on macOS/iOS. And before anyone says anything about Apple not pre-installing 3rd party software...I think that's incorrect. If you want to use any of the Unix aspects of macOS, you have to start off with Apple's lame and old versions of even basic Unix utilities and programming environments until you go and install some other 3rd party things to fix the situation. That's way worse than having to right-click a Candy Crush icon to remove it once IMO.

Pressing Start is one popular way of starting a program on Windows, so I don't understand that line of argumentation.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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> I used to want an eGPU. Then I learned that you need to disable SIP in order to do so... I hadn’t heard that. A quick search suggests it’s only necessary for loading Nvidia kexts or using TB2 https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/8lybin/macos_egpu_wit... > No one is going to wait for that hypothetical future where MacOS supports Nvidia GPUs. True, but their Navi cards are at least competitive in the price ranges w…

> I hadn’t heard that. A quick search suggests it’s only necessary for loading Nvidia kexts or using TB2 https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/8lybin/macos_egpu_wit... . Interesting. I might ask around to verify this. > True, but their Navi cards are at least competitive in the price ranges where they exist. Hopefully the high end ones next year continue that. If you’re looking at Titan or whatever the current ML th…

Agreed on that. AMD put a bunch of work into the Cycles rendering engine (for blender) to get their OpenCL support up to par with CUDA, and now it's completely disabled on the Mac version thanks to Apple deprecating it. Disappointing.

https://developer.blender.org/rBbb0d812d98

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Add a layover and you could easily be at 20+ hours (which is common since NZ is small so there aren’t that many flights). Europe is well over 24 hours even to the major hubs.

Granted, however the flights I listed are all non-stop.

There’s a non-stop Auckland > Denpasar flight?

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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For me the problem with gaming laptops for work is their GPUs. I honestly don't need anything beyond build in Intel GPUs but I would love to have powerful CPU + a lot of RAM. Highend GPUs are driving prices of laptops very high so essentially I'm paying a lot for hardware that I would never use. That's why I prefer desktops, there is no problem with having Threadripper and 128GB of RAM in case with some basic $30 use…

I think good GPUs are necessary to support external monitors. My thinkpad really struggles to power two external normal DPI monitors. If I had high DPI I don't think it would even be possible. I suspect the gaming laptops with their full powered GPUs, usually Nvidia or AMD, would have no problem powering several high DPI external monitors.

That's true but still you don't need Titan to power two 4k monitors, probably good old 750Ti or even older GPU will be enough. For me it's even easier because my sweet spot is one 1440p display (that's where I work most efficiently) so anything will be good enough for me.

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And what is the point then? I'm serious since i read this "if you do not understand why then it isn't for you" but without any explanations about what isn't understood.

Think about other products that exist in the wild. Have you ever looked at something on a shelf, or in someone's hand, come to an understanding of what it is and what it does and then thought, "That's stupid. I don't need that. There are better options!" The thing is the person using it loves it , and it's solving a very specific problem for them, a problem you don't have. It's the same thing here: you don't respect…

This doesn't answer the question though. The question was "why would you buy this over a pc with the same specs?" and you answered essentially with "if you do not already know this then you cannot know this".

How would one gain that knowledge in the first place? We aren't born with the knowledge of why one would buy this machine over another.

We gain that knowledge based on specifics of the two machines. So the question is simple: what specifically makes the new Mac Pro a more desirable purchase option for someone than a PC with similar specifications?

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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I have zero interest in building my own PC, or dealing with fragmented and terrible support when issues crop up, or using anything other than macOS. And definitely not to save a few bucks. You clearly are different in your values and priorities. That’s what “if you don’t understand, you’re not the target market” means.

The parent didn't mention anything about saving money, or building a machine from parts. You can order a custom build from any number of OEMs and have a same-day on-site service warranty. The point about building a technically superior machine stands. I use Apple for their laptops because the OS is superior on a touch pad. But really all their desktop machines are joke hardware. The Mac Pro is just a bigger more expe…

Thank you. That is pretty much what I had in mind when asking why to buy the Mac.

I get that Apple has some products that are really good, but for a professional environment I am still unsure if I would really recommend to buy them.

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