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Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Auburn, Indiana has been offering municipal internet since 2005[1]. The town needed fast internet to keep companies from leaving to big cities. So, the town decided to build on its municipal public utilities to proide also fast internet. Naturally, it ran into resistence from Verizon. But when the town council has asked the company to provide fast internet service to the community, the company said it was too expensive to do that. I remember that because I attended the town council meetings on this issue.

[1] - http://www.auburnessentialservices.net/about/

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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For 60$ you have a Freebox delta in France (sorry only in French https://www.free.fr/freebox/freebox-delta/ ) . It includes 10 Gbps (via fiber cable) + a sound system ( from Devialet, an equivalent to Bose system) + Alexa on the remote controller + 500 Go HDD for video recording or music playback + 200 (international) TV channels + Netflix SD , all inclusive ?! For the little story, french people said 60 $ for all of…

Prices vary from country to country on lots of things. How much does gas cost in France vs the USA?

I agree that I don't want to enter in a "pissing contest" , but as I am a programmer I most work from home, so even if gas is really twice the price in France, I'd rather prefer a descend internet speed in a my full inclusive box (so I don't need an Apple TV) in my contryside (away by 50 km from the next big city of Nantes), for a low price than a gas at half price ;) ;) ;) ;)

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Interesting is that both Verizon and AT&T are in the top 10 of the Fortune Global 500 if you sort by profit. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Global_500#Fortune_Glo.... Scroll up one table for 2018 profits top 10. Note that the reason why BAT is at number 2 seems to be related to some kind of acquisition if you read their wiki page, but the wiki is not complete enough to reference it as useful. If one looks at Comcast's net profit it also looks quite high, but I am not sure where it would place.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big question in the municipality as network layer only is how do companies actually compete? They could offer certain services I guess like IPTV but then why are they an ISP/Cable service provider instead of just a streaming platform separate from being an ISP. Could they do any better on speed by getting better interconnects to the wider internet or is that also part of the community infrastructure? The options…

> The big question in the municipality as network layer only is how do companies actually compete? This is why I am more interested in the dark fiber or conduit services. The major technical risk of municipal networks is that they will not keep up with new backhaul equipment innovations. Australia maintains a national "broadband" service which is haunted by stagnation, and while it is easy for people to say they simp…

It seems to me the dark fiber approach will wind up just having one ISP for a given region of the network because to have multiple ISPs running along the same piece of fiber you need shared equipment at each end which is basically the "municipal network layer" model I described. How do you get regional competition with a dark fiber model?

Also I think the government upgrade issue so often boils down to just lacking the money to do it because defunding upgrade budgets is an easy target for budget games to make room for the latest tax give away or social program. Make it self funding and put protections against raiding it's budget into the charter.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a gigabit fiber-to-the-home connection in an area inside of Denver city limits (more than 3 years ago by the way) that is not shown on your linked map, so your data source for this is not accurate.

That is CenturyLink's map, not mine. Click "See Map": https://www.centurylink.com/fiber/plans-and-pricing/denver-c...

Oh I see. That's actually a map of where they are currently _expanding into_, not where they offer service. A much larger part of the city is covered than what that map is showing.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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CenturyLink, in particular, but also Comcast, has brought this upon themselves... They are doing everything they can to protect their existing infrastructure and do as little as possible to upgrade services. I'm thinking of back in '98 when QWest was rolling out DSL, the would only connect you to a central office. They refused to put DSLAMs in the pedestals, because if they did that they had to allow CLECs to do the…

I have CenturyLink 1Gbps in Colorado Springs. Not sure what you mean about not upgrading their infrastructure. The price is $75 fixed forever as long as I always pay my bill on time.

Personally, I hate those "fixed price forever" Internet offers. The price of Internet continues to trend down, I think of these plans as "We guarantee we will be overcharging you in 2-3 years" plans. :-)

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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I'm in a combo CenturyLink / Comcast market, and it's AMAZING what competition between even just those two firms does to my offerings. Switched from Comcast's $90/mo gigabit with a 1 TB data cap and only 90 Mb/s upload to CenturyLink's $60/mo symmetric gigabit with no data cap. I have a contract-less "lifetime price guarantee", they did free install (which included running a fiber line from the pole to my house with…

If you have no contract, what's to stop CenturyLink from reneging on the lifetime price guarantee?

nothing but competition
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