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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by PunchTornado »

parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

the new macbook pro keyboard sucks and a lot of users are complaining about it. apple should do something, not blame the users. I personally hate it, but I'm stuck with it.

it's not like we have a choice, we use whatever our company gives us and we can't just ask for another keyboard because we don't like our laptop. at least not in my company.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by aloer »

zbigniewc wrote: post #397
aloer wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finder is probably the worst part of using a Mac. But explorer isn’t that much better either I am currently forced to use windows and it’s near impossible to get anything done with it without feeling frustrated. It simply doesn’t follow my speed and line of thought on anything. I am quite shocked after using Mac for 7 years how little progress or even regression windows 10 went through. Without making this into a win…

Interesting! Having used a Mac for 6 months after years of Windows, I had quite the opposite feelings: > unzip hidden behind right click or freaking menu button By default double click or Enter will cause Explorer to peak into .zip files, which is more natural to me as I might not want to unzip the whole file to see the contents. > rename through right click or f2 The fact that in Finder the Enter button does not act…

> The fact that in Finder the Enter button does not actually enter a directory or run/open a file but let me rename it was the biggest surprise. I personally rename filesystem objects rarely, while I 'execute' them all the time, it does not make sense!

You are right, I hadn’t thought of that. But there is an easy solution that imho in a way is better anyways:

CMD arrow allows you to navigate through file structure including drill down, I.e. open folder.

CMD o opens/runs any file selected (also opens folders so it’s a not-so-elegant replacement for open on enter)

This to me makes more sense though now that I think about it because it differentiates between running (potentially unsafe/slow) and quick keyboard navigation through folders. I admit the CMD arrow functionality is a bit hidden

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by tyleo »

parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

As you elucidate in your first point people can choose with their wallet. However, I think that blog posts and complaints are another, perhaps stronger, way of impacting change. People may still like a product, they may still want to buy a product, so a complaint is the only signal which can let a company know how to improve.

It’s unfortunate that you are getting sneered at for liking the keyboard though. It’s step too far when the complaint targets other users who enjoy the product and doesn’t focus on the product itself.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by erowtom »

parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

> 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break.

This is not true. My keyboard broke and has been replaced with the same generation keyboards. I asked the apple store about it before they start any reparation, they told me they would never replace with a newer generation. (MacBook Pro 2018, a few weeks after Apple introduced the new butterfly keyboards.) I am located in Paris, France, if it matters.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by EugeneOZ »

jdnenej wrote: post #465
V-2 wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "ads in start menu" you mean the lame app suggestions, it's trivial to disable the thing.

This gets said about 5000 feature on windows. A good OS doesn't require you to spend an hour turning off 400 toggles only to have them turn back on in an update

Sure it's not 4999, exactly 5000? And number of toggles is exact, not an exaggeration? Because if we will exaggerate MacOS issues, who knows the winner of this game.

Just for note: I use them both (win and macos).

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by breatheoften »

parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

My right arrow key fails about 50% of the time. I already replaced the keyboard on this (shit) computer once. I use my MacBook professionally for my work everyday. I can’t easily tolerate losing access to this device for days to get the keyboard replaced again...

I spent two weeks working remotely recently and had to use this keyboard rather than my old, excellent, pre-bufferfly switch external Apple keyboard (link for anyone curious — you can still by their old/good usb keyboards on amazon — https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07K7V1FWC?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_...). My hands and fingers were noticeably more fatigued after using the terrible keyboard. My coworkers commented about how much more typos they noticed in slack than normal.

I absolutely hate this computer — not in a “complain about little things that bother me way” - in a “this device is by far the least favorite apple device I’ve ever owned” kind of way. I dislike this computer at every level not because small issues — because of large, major, fundamental problems.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by bitwize »

mcv wrote: post #444
blackhaz wrote: post #412

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Thin laptops do suck. Give us ports and keyboards! Is there a single instance of high-quality laptop on the market with a generous key travel these days? Thinkpads don't quite reach the feel of MBP 2015 keyboard for me. (Typing this on a 101-key NMB I restored which, I think, is close to typing nirvana.)

> "Thinkpads don't quite reach the feel of MBP 2015 keyboard for me." They don't? I was under the impression that Thinkpads generally had the best keyboards. They get praised for it all the time. Are current Thinkpad keyboards actually worse than 2015 Macbook ones? Are keyboards a piece of technology that's getting worse instead of better as time goes on?

ThinkPads have better keyboards than most, but Lenovo decided to join the chiclet camp a few years back and the recent keyboards haven't been as good as ThinkPads from eight or ten years ago.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by aloer »

jplayer01 wrote: post #403
aloer wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finder is probably the worst part of using a Mac. But explorer isn’t that much better either I am currently forced to use windows and it’s near impossible to get anything done with it without feeling frustrated. It simply doesn’t follow my speed and line of thought on anything. I am quite shocked after using Mac for 7 years how little progress or even regression windows 10 went through. Without making this into a win…

I feel like much of that is a matter of convention. Why wouldn't you put extract in the right-click menu, which can be extended by any number of applications with whatever useful functions. It's just functional in a way that makes sense. Renaming with anything other than Enter makes sense because Enter opens the file. The file path thing is bizarre. Windows 10 supports a path length of 32767 characters. But last I ch…

> Renaming with anything other than Enter makes sense because Enter opens the file.

Does it? Enter is “text confirmation, make new line”. With single line inputs it’s expected to work like a submit for e.g. a search. Submitting a file name change happens with enter on windows as well. Now if you rename with f2, then submit with enter and accidentally press enter a single time you suddenly have executed or opened something you only wanted to rename. Enter, the most prominent big button with a single function after space, suddenly becomes a completely orthogonal context sensitive option. That’s weird

And don’t get me started on the use of enter in Microsoft teams based on context of your message...

If you are in a list or ‘’’ code formatted block the first enter will break out and allow you to write plain text below in the same message, the second enter will send the message

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by Kipters »

parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

> 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace.

I would gladly get a Carbon X1 or an XPS 15 if my work didn't require me to use macOS (or better: if Apple didn't require me to use macOS to build iOS apps). Sadly I can't and so I'm too stuck with a 2018 MacBook Pro and its crappy keyboard

> 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break.

Author's model is, like mine, quite new since it's the 2018 one. It still sucks and it still breaks. Also, I don't want to wait N days for Apple to fix the keyboard.

> 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin Bluetooth keyboards. Microsoft has a great one. It's a small monetary sacrifice you'll need to make for sticking with MacOS. i.e. something we already do when we buy Macbook Pros ;)

My company has already shelled out a couple grands for this machine, suggesting to use a Bluetooth keyboard is offensive given the price point of this laptop and how cumbersome and uncomfortable using an external keyboard on a laptop is.

> I am getting tired of being sneered at for "clearly not understanding my own interests" because I like my Macbook Pro, have never had a keyboard issue, I LIKE TYPING on the keyboard, and would buy another one.

I'll be honest: I don't care how you use your MacBook and I'm ok if you don't care how other people use them. But with a machine at this price point, which is also labeled _Pro_, an issue like this after three product releases is completely unacceptable

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by Mindwipe »

8draco8 wrote: post #458

OK, so my theory on that is that it was all Jony Ive fault. Back in the days when Jobs was still around he was a natural counter balance to Ive. He wanted everything to be not only 'beautiful' but most notably just working. Ive was great source of new design ideas for him and he was usually throwing away bad ones (from technical point of view) and leaving the god ones (of course there was some mistakes but over all i…

I don't think it was Ive specifically - it appears that Ive really hasn't done anything but Apple Park and collect his paycheck since the Apple Watch shipped tbh - but the lack of any one in management to push back against the rest of Ive's team in the way Jobs would have done is obvious.
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