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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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briandear wrote: post #470
partiallypro wrote: post #248

Google started going down the path I would describe as an "evil" path years ago. I'm glad people are starting to notice. I used to be a huge Google advocate, up until about 2008. So many things have changed since then. Adsense was the first breach in trust for me, when they banned my account for no reason and ruined any chance of every monetizing my content...since they are basically a monopoly in that area. Getting…

> it sucks it leaked to nutty Brietbart and not a real news organization. That right there is the issue. “Real” news organizations share ideological views and their choice of what to investigate is a result of that ideology. When a newsroom cheers or is despondent over an election result, it’s unrealistic to expect them to provide hard-hitting coverage that potentially undercuts their own biases. The coverage of Russ…

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by rodorgas »

hellofunk wrote: post #22
brian-armstrong wrote: post #10

Firefox is a truly fantastic browser now. I've been using it again for about 2 years and haven't regretted it at all. There have been a couple of weird feature hiccups but generally Mozilla seems to get things right.

I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).

I have perfomance issues on heavy JS websites. Facebook is almost unusable. But I have a bunch of extensions. If I try using a new profile (no extensions, default preferences, etc) it's nice and smooth.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by jonathanyc »

pg_bot wrote: post #246
jonathanyc wrote: post #178

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I’ve never seen this happen on any website, ever, and I’ve used the dev console on some pretty insane websites. Come up with minimal steps to reproduce and file a bug like a normal person, like the other comment suggests. People like me use Firefox for their paying job daily and somehow we still don’t find it beneath ourselves to file bugs.

If I flipped a light switch and the room caught on fire, I hope that your response won't be: "I've never seen this happen before and I've been in some pretty insane buildings" I've never seen anything like it happen on any other website either, but yet here I am. The failure is so stark that I would have no idea where to begin debugging, and would likely need guidance from someone with more knowledge of the system so…

I actually haven’t been in any buildings where I could plausibly have imagined flipping a light switch causing its containing room to burst into flames, which is why if you had said that flipping the light switch in your office caused it to spontaneously combust I would have reserved judgement. I don’t really follow your non sequitur.

You act as if days of your time are somehow worth more than days of some browser engineer’s time. The company I works for makes a decently popular and extremely browser-intensive web application and even we at least do some minimal investigation when we want, say, a Chrome bug to get fixed. If opening dev tools caused Firefox to crash for me you can bet I’d at least try to come up with a minimal STR.

I’m sorry to inform you that you are not that special and that your entitlement is not flattering.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by Dylan16807 »

thrower123 wrote: post #367
contem wrote: post #358

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The disagreements were about strategy and mobile experience, so not enough to call someone poisonous. Place Yahoo, AVG, and Moz Corp against Brendan's co-founder status and JavaScript. The other toxic drama was about a 1000$ political donation. Very sad to see an unpopular view used to paint someone as a monster. If democratic political views are enough to kill someones career, it is more a sign of the toxicity of to…

The fact that Eich was pilloried after the fact for what was at the time a mainstream political opinion is absurd. Brave is fantastic on android though.

> at the time

It was ten years ago. When people fussed about it it was six years old.

How many years back do political actions count as relevant?

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by dijit »

partiallypro wrote: post #382
naringas wrote: post #259

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I used to think that google today is like microsoft back in the late 90s and early 00s but your comment makes me think it might be even worse.

Google already bullies hardware vendors that don't package Google services with Android devices...which is what Microsoft did in the 90s. They also bundle all their services...which is essentially the very thing that Microsoft ended up getting slapped for. Google gets a way with a lot. Apple does too, but Apple's reach is limited to when you leave their hardware, Google's is always with you. You can't escape unless y…

>Apple is so locked down that I essentially have to use their services

I want to touch on this because in my experience this is less true than it seems on the surface.

The contacts app and calendar app support carddav/caldav respectively- photos use the standard camera interface (mpd?) the things that suck are that you need to use Xcode to develop for it, and you need iTunes to put music on the default music player app (however using plex w/ sync has been my cross platform solution for a while- and honestly I don’t know many people who aren’t using Spotify)

Am I missing something?

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by everdev »

partiallypro wrote: post #388
everdev wrote: post #383

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> Luckily agencies act as a middle man, if not for that, the abuse would be so much more widespread I ran such an agency. As someone who is proficient in PPC, the AdSense sales team was inexcusably poor at their jobs. They'd offer to setup campaigns for free with thousands of barely relevant keywords and would push upping the budget past what was reasonable. Their tactics were so bad for my clients that I stopped acc…

If what I've been told by people that used to work on those very Google Adwords teams, it's not that they are "bad" at their job, it's that they are meant to meet a certain quota of spend and nothing like ROI etc matters. What's the solution to campaign doing badly? Up the budget! They know it's not optimal, their managers know it's not optimal, but the goal is for Google's bottom line. This stops once you reach a ce…

Yes, I figured as much. I'm sure the reps were "just doing their jobs", but the result was poor service/advice as you mention.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by everdev »

trolleyhacker wrote: post #428
everdev wrote: post #383

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> Luckily agencies act as a middle man, if not for that, the abuse would be so much more widespread I ran such an agency. As someone who is proficient in PPC, the AdSense sales team was inexcusably poor at their jobs. They'd offer to setup campaigns for free with thousands of barely relevant keywords and would push upping the budget past what was reasonable. Their tactics were so bad for my clients that I stopped acc…

You seem to mean AdWords (now Google Ads). AdSense is for publishers.

Yes, good catch!

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by jiggunjer »

joshuamorton wrote: post #129
djrogers wrote: post #122

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No, previously if you logged in sync was enabled - TFA and googles own privacy policy explain this quite clearly.

I'm pretty sure you could still turn it off while remaining logged in.

You could uncheck the boxes, but by default they were all checked and everything started syncing the moment you signed in.

I remember because it bothered me to have to wipe my passwords from some random pc I was using just because I wanted my bookmarks.

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