From http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180906IPR... > Any action taken by platforms to check that uploads do not breach copyright rules must be designed in such a way as to avoid catching “non-infringing works”. Utterly hilarious and scary that they think that's possible.
EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
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Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but wouldn't cutting 500 million of the wealthiest customers from your solution have a pretty significant business impact?
Google left China; a far bigger market than Europe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/technology/google-china-c...
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#493So since the majority of the voices here on HN seem to be pretty negative towards this, I think it's worth noting there are some creative voices who are in favor of some copyright law. For example, here's one fellow on the twitter machine who's a composer and seems pleased: https://twitter.com/Howard_Goodall/status/103983376226213478... Simultaneously, I'm not campaigning in favor of the "link tax" component, here. I…
The EU is undemocratic because there is no clear way to hold representatives accountable. Simple as that. Every time something like this happens, we have to pull out all the stops just to maintain the fragile status quo we have and avoid sliding backwards into an authoritarian state that wields bureaucracy in slow motion. These MEPs are paid ridiculous amounts of money to sell out the public interest.
I'm in my 30s and cannot recall once in my lifetime that these dunning krugers have ever demonstrated sufficient understanding for what they are trying to do. They have a reverse Midas touch when it comes to 21st century issues. Still waiting for them to prove me wrong.
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#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
> may decide that it's just not worth the cost of compliance. You cannot not comply with it though.
> You cannot not comply with it though. Why is that? One of the big reasons people and companies comply with the law is that they don't want to suffer the consequences of non-compliance. If a company has no assets, customers or business relationships in Europe, what is a GDPR judgement against them going to do?
Customers don't have to be in Europe, it applies to european citizens living in your country.
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#495Do you think that after GDPR and the fact that everyone actually took it seriously the EU is trying to see if they can keep pulling the same string and making the world dance?
No, this is just lobbying by the copyright industry playing the "look how poor Bono is, he deserves more" card.
Just another in a long list of efforts by the copyright cartels to restrict access to information and culture.
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#496As terrible as this is, I am actually even more shocked by this proposal: https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/12/europe-to-push-for-one-hou... Having one hour to remove offending content, draconian fines and no, absolutely no exceptions for small content providers would, I think, end the internet as we know it in Europe. I see no way to host any kind of content under such jurisdiction and surely all non European content p…
Sounds like the web without user content... Web 1.0? So much for free speech.
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#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The entire point of art. 11 is to transfer money from Google News (and other aggregators, like Facebook) to publishers. This also covers search. Honestly, it doesn't seem a bad thing to me. But lat's see how Google plays it out.
You don't think this will eventually come to screw the little guy?
I mean, I think the link tax is backwards, but a vague emotional appeal to the health of... a mom and pop internet news site...(?) is not the argument I'd use.
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#498As terrible as this is, I am actually even more shocked by this proposal: https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/12/europe-to-push-for-one-hou... Having one hour to remove offending content, draconian fines and no, absolutely no exceptions for small content providers would, I think, end the internet as we know it in Europe. I see no way to host any kind of content under such jurisdiction and surely all non European content p…
From what I read on this specific proposal, it's not entirely draconian and has some benefits to the user, since the process also implements transparency requirements and complaint mechanisms. As far as the one-hour-rule goes; if I get an email about taking down content at 01:00AM, then I will naturally be unable to respond for atleast another 5 hours, German courts atleast agree that for such things, it counts when…
This implies that you are going to have to go to court because you got an email at 1am and didn't reply right away...in order to fight off potentially serious fines. Whether it's accurate or not it's still very expensive to prove it's inaccuracy (in time alone, not including financially and stress).
This has very serious consequences for small and even medium businesses.
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Yes, the Googles and Facebooks of the future will be affected the most. This is consolidation of power, finally locking down the Free Internet just as we've done with every other industry. Stripping the power to change from the small. And what are we doing about it?
> And what are we doing about it? Make our own content and host it ourselves? This type of law is only effective due to centralisation of Internet services. If everyone self-hosted and was accountable for their own content there would be no scope for such legislation. All HN would hold would be linked-lists of URLs, no actual comment content. Imagine a decentralised, federated HN where each comment originated from it…
This type of law encourages that very centralization. Look at the provisions of GDPR, for example. Do you think a two-person startup is going to have the resources to deal with all of its provisions? Or in this case: do you think that a new video-sharing startup is going to have the resources to deal with the more stringent copyright enforcement requirements?
The EU has, in effect, made a Faustian bargain with Google, Facebook and Twitter: if you accept our regulation, we'll ensure that you have no competitors.
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#500Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I agree with this copyright directive, it's horrible and I intend to find out which of my representatives supported it such that I can do something about it. But the EU, as a whole, is the world's biggest market and it is a common market in spite of legal and cultural differences between countries. So that's pretty naive. And if companies think the "compliance cost" is too big, that's fine, it means they are…
I too am an EU citizen, living in the Netherlands. I am also an American citizen and have lived there. Although I generally prefer the Dutch set of laws to the American, Dutch laws stifle innovation. The difference in even simple things like setting up a business, hiring an employee, and ensuring compliance with local laws is insane. Every time I go to America I get requests for random things that either don't exist…
Seems like a bit of a straw-man argument anyway. Businesses don't usually pay consumer-oriented taxes like VAT (UK), or Mehrwertsteuer (DE). So which taxes are we talking about exactly?
And importing stuff isn't too hard. If it was a truly Dutch issue, you'd set up the import business in another EU country, and then ship it to the Netherlands once it's inside the Union.