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Re: Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars

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I think the simple answer is 'hedging'. Cancer, hunger and the like are unlikely to kill the entire human race in one go. A climate event or asteroid could, which would render all other efforts redundant. Mars exploration means hedging the survival of our species. A diverse portfolio is where the smart money is.

This is a nobel reason, however I imagine the real answer is closer to sex appeal and money. Also, who should determine how the resources of humanity are deployed? People who arbitrarily have gained control of the resources? For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water. It also seems a well fed and hydrated global population would be much happier, healthier, creative and produc…

> For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water.

No we realistically can't. How exactly do you propose doing that? Keep in mind that there is a ton of precedents where local governments withheld foreign aid (which was supposed to "solve hunger" at least at that part of the world) to enrich themselves and/or to control their citizens. How do you solve that with any amount of money? Bomb the "bad governments" into submission? Just keep the money in some account waiting for those governments to become more civilized? Might as well colonize Mars in the meantime

Re: Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars

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This is a false dichotomy that always annoys me. It is entirely possible that by spending $400B to safely send people to Mars and live there, especially in a moderately high radiation environment, that we will discover EXACTLY the mechanisms that send cells into cancer states and how to reverse that so they stop. Otherwise we're going to have colonists getting cancer and dying too quickly. Then not only do we get to…

I look forward to seeing the summary of this discussion thread on n-gate. If Earth were hit by a dinosaur killing asteroid it would be more habitable than mars before, during, and after. Any ridiculous boondoggle might have beneficial side effects. There’s no evidence, however, that spending money on a boondoggle is a more effective way of generating positive side effects than spending the same money on something sen…

personal callouts.

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Re: Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars

#493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nobel reason, however I imagine the real answer is closer to sex appeal and money. Also, who should determine how the resources of humanity are deployed? People who arbitrarily have gained control of the resources? For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water. It also seems a well fed and hydrated global population would be much happier, healthier, creative and produc…

> For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water. No we realistically can't. How exactly do you propose doing that? Keep in mind that there is a ton of precedents where local governments withheld foreign aid (which was supposed to "solve hunger" at least at that part of the world) to enrich themselves and/or to control their citizens. How do you solve that with any amount of mone…

I think Scott Harrison has done well with Charity Water -- I believe he has singlehandedly solved 1-2% of the global water problem in the last decade.

Surely, if a NYC nightclub promoter can stop doing blow and start drilling wells, we can scale what he is doing.

Re: Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars

#494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the simple answer is 'hedging'. Cancer, hunger and the like are unlikely to kill the entire human race in one go. A climate event or asteroid could, which would render all other efforts redundant. Mars exploration means hedging the survival of our species. A diverse portfolio is where the smart money is.

This is a nobel reason, however I imagine the real answer is closer to sex appeal and money. Also, who should determine how the resources of humanity are deployed? People who arbitrarily have gained control of the resources? For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water. It also seems a well fed and hydrated global population would be much happier, healthier, creative and produc…

My point is that we might not solve those problems even if all resources are directed there. It makes sense to hedge because our survival is too important to risk with 'all our eggs in one basket'.

You bring up fair questions, but questions that are likely to always be there and never answered. At the end of the day, if we become extinct, all these questions are superfluous anyway.

Space exploration is, quite literally, a moon shot. But it's one that could give us the space (pun intended) to keep trying to solving the rest of the issues.

Re: Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water. No we realistically can't. How exactly do you propose doing that? Keep in mind that there is a ton of precedents where local governments withheld foreign aid (which was supposed to "solve hunger" at least at that part of the world) to enrich themselves and/or to control their citizens. How do you solve that with any amount of mone…

I think Scott Harrison has done well with Charity Water -- I believe he has singlehandedly solved 1-2% of the global water problem in the last decade. Surely, if a NYC nightclub promoter can stop doing blow and start drilling wells, we can scale what he is doing.

No, not really. Two reasons:

- water access is a source for income in quite a few places (e.g. [1]). Drilling a few wells in remote villages might fly under the radar, but "solving clean water" means cutting people very much capable of violence from their income. That can't be solved by NYC nightclub promoter, unless they are willing to wage urban warfare.

- it's not enough to drill the wells as they will dry out eventually if there are no regulations and water distribution infrastructure. It's just not sustainable. And to solve the water problem sustainably requires a lot of infrastructure, water treatment, pipes, pumps, maybe some desalination plants. Even US itself is too gridlocked to solve its own problem of water supply, allocation, and aging infrastructure (e.g. Flint or CA's almond orchards), despite having all the money in the world. Why do you assume it's somehow enough to throw a few trillions at a few dozen countries with wildly different political and cultural climates?

[1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/thirsty-v...

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