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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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I feel the EU regulators could stand to learn something. If EU citizens are small portion of your users, and your tasked with parsing this document http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX... just blocking them doesn't seem like that bad of an idea, especially with the fines involved. I think the things that bother me is: 1) A College student working on a side project with no revenue are treated t…

> It's a foreign requirement that feels like a violation of sovereignty. Sure, if you cater to users in your own country. If you cater (read: deal with data) to users from the EU, you should follow local consumer protection laws. EU laws have always been more strict than US privacy laws: This caused unfair competition, where US companies were free to export their privacy-damaging business model overseas, while local…

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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Web servers are non-compliant out of the box because they all by default log and store IP addresses of visitors.

So the defaults will be changed. It's called software cause it can be changed easily.

A quick Google search leads to this, for example: https://blog.flyingcircus.io/2018/02/05/new-default-truncate...

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#493

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

> Most early-stage startup use the best practice of “delete=1”

Who are you people who can’t/won’t actually delete something from your db’s?

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#494

My biggest _annoyance_ with GDPR and its advocates is the constant touting of "giving users control over their data" when in reality it is hindering voluntary actions that by their nature require some of "my data". If I want to service a small group of people with, say, an XMPP network, and those users are willing and eager to just go with it without any of this bs with terms and three-letter EU dictated roles, then…

GDPR is simply a response to abusive behavior. May not be the best response, but it was about time. Then, it is surprising to me that Americans are against a national id card, but are not OK with a privacy protection law.

I believe it's because, in general, Americans distrust government and trust corporations

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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I don't think it applies to individuals and noncommercial activity, though I have heard anecdotal reports of european cops hassling people shooting pictures on mobile phones

> I don't think it applies to individuals and noncommercial activity Why would these be unaffected? You have to comply with GDPR as soon as you start processing personal data.

This thread on Reddit seems to have some cogent discussion on exceptions

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8litn7/gdpr_for_h...

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#496

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

Even if you delete it from disk and remove from memory, you may be required to remove it from offline backups too like tapes and other media.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#497

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

> Most early-stage startup use the best practice of “delete=1” Honestly that's a bad best practice if the data your collecting is sensitive, which PII is.

It's not so easy. Someone buys a book. Transaction is recorded, and now we know total book sales.

Someone says "delete me and my purchases", so you do, and oops - total book sales are now wrong.

There's ways around it, obviously. But they are not easy. Much easier to just mark as deleted.

Another example: Threaded conversation - someone deletes their post, and oops all the replies are now orphaned.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the EU regulators could stand to learn something. If EU citizens are small portion of your users, and your tasked with parsing this document http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX... just blocking them doesn't seem like that bad of an idea, especially with the fines involved. I think the things that bother me is: 1) A College student working on a side project with no revenue are treated t…

> It's a foreign requirement that feels like a violation of sovereignty. Sure, if you cater to users in your own country. If you cater (read: deal with data) to users from the EU, you should follow local consumer protection laws. EU laws have always been more strict than US privacy laws: This caused unfair competition, where US companies were free to export their privacy-damaging business model overseas, while local…

>Sure, if you cater to users in your own country. If you cater (read: deal with data) to users from the EU, you should follow local consumer protection laws.

If I have a brick and mortar business in the US and some one from the EU decides to do business, do I have to follow EU consumer protection laws? Unless I have an physical presence in the EU why should I have to follow their regulations?

Further, why cannot the EU just allow its citizens just do business with other extra-national companies if they choose to? Meaning, if an EU citizen chooses to do business with a non-GDPR compliant website, why does the EU care?

>EU laws have always been more strict than US privacy laws: This caused unfair competition, where US companies were free to export their privacy-damaging business model overseas, while local companies were forced to respect privacy. Respecting privacy is just not very competitive/profitable at the moment.

So what? If the EU wants to stifle competition, why should the US care. They are only hurting themselves.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#499
I’m really getting sick of seeing IP filtering being mentioned in the context of blocking a specific nationality of person. Do people not understand a European citizen can travel? Use VPNs? Have an IP that is misreported to the wrong location?

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#500

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

> I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore.

You're not wrong at all. It first started dawning on me around 5 years ago. Almost no one knows what they're talking about. It's like watching hackers in a major motion picture. Except it's "hackers" on a major news site.

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