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Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by beagle3 »

ptaipale wrote: post #447
beagle3 wrote: post #330

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Safety net is definitely there, but my Dane friends actually told me it’s really bad for small businesses to the point that small businesses won’t hire for desperately needed work because it is impossibly expensive to let anyone go.

I wonder if you have misunderstood your friends. The Danish system is different from other Nordic countries in that dismissal is quite easy from legal point of view (even if for someone running a small company, it may still be psychologically very difficult). The unemployment benefits are good, although the officials monitoring it also force the unemployed to be quite active to find a new job.

This was his complaint 10 years ago, from an earlier time (perhaps 20 years ago?) he was considering starting a business.

I probably have misunderstood his complaints, as you and Tehnix both point out; I'll reach out to him to get the details right...

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by greglindahl »

ptaipale wrote: post #447
beagle3 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safety net is definitely there, but my Dane friends actually told me it’s really bad for small businesses to the point that small businesses won’t hire for desperately needed work because it is impossibly expensive to let anyone go.

I wonder if you have misunderstood your friends. The Danish system is different from other Nordic countries in that dismissal is quite easy from legal point of view (even if for someone running a small company, it may still be psychologically very difficult). The unemployment benefits are good, although the officials monitoring it also force the unemployed to be quite active to find a new job.

Yes, this unusual Danish system is why I said Denmark -- it's pretty different from the rest of Europe.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by nostrademons »

garmaine wrote: post #326
nostrademons wrote: post #161

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Relevant PG essay: http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html "The statements that make people mad are the ones they worry might be believed." At present, the idea that California might be returned to Mexico or that all non-native-Americans might be kicked out of America is sufficiently ridiculous that nobody will take you seriously. Thus, there's no reason to get offended. You can say whatever you want, you're just a nutcas…

I don't think you interpreted what I was saying correctly. Why should I be offended at the idea of the idea of my state joining my state seriously joining the Mexican federation?

It's an addition to the conversation, not a response. I'm not saying you should be offended, I'm providing context to this and previous replies so that other people who read this subthread can understand why California joining Mexico is a different situation from Tibet splitting from China and so responses differ.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #100

Glad to see that the cowards at Marriott are willing to stand up to insane Chinese bullying. I’m switching to Hilton.

You don't think Hilton routinely fires people for unfair, chickenshit reasons too, taking advantage of the immense power differential a giant corporation has over low-skilled labor? Isn't that the real problem here?

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by coldtea »

curun1r wrote: post #268
cylinder wrote: post #54

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The real story is he has no employment rights because he's in America and he's "at will." They can dismiss him because they don't like his lunch selection that day and he has no rights. That's at will employment. This type of situation plays out all over the country everyday.

Or the real story is how much businesses kowtow to the Chinese government and enable their human rights abuses. I would be quite happy to see Marriott face blowback in the US and other parts of the world over this as people show their support for a free Tibet. Letting China browbeat businesses into submission for the privilege of operating in that market isn't a good thing and more businesses need to be made to decid…

>Or the real story is how much businesses kowtow to the Chinese government and enable their human rights abuses.

That's part of the story.

It would be the main story if the workers having no rights in the US wasn't much worse for them, and impacted them 100x on their lives, than whatever their businesses do abroad.

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Post by coldtea »

lostlogin wrote: post #52
chrischen wrote: post #33

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Yea it's weird I feel like liking the tweet should pale in comparison to whoever listed Tibet as its own country. Seems like the mistake was listing tibet as a country on the survey and they fired a guy just because he put attention to it by liking a tweet (and was thus used as a sacrifice). If I were China, I'd probably demand the firing of someone more consequential than a random minimum wage worker who had little…

If you were in China would you really find it insulting that Tibet is considered by some to be its own country? It was invaded, and I can’t really see any other way to characterise what happened.

So what's your stance on Hawaii and Puerto Rico?

Or for that matter, Florida, Texas, Florida, California, New Mexico, and Arizona?

Or for that matter the whole of the US land where Native American tribes lived.

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Post by coldtea »

kodablah wrote: post #115
chrischen wrote: post #56

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That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country. It was also invaded and then forcibly gentrified and colonized. That's not to even mention the entirety of the United States. It's not so much if China has legitimate claims on Tibet so much as it's the pot calling the kettle black. The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries telling another country…

> That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country Of course not. They'd just ignore you. Not force you to suspend online sales to your 300 stores in the country. Why is there always someone willing to twist things into a pretzel in search of moral equivalence when it comes to China or Russia? There's no pot. There's no kettle. Using your leverage to force a company…

>Of course not. They'd just ignore you. Not force you to suspend online sales to your 300 stores in the country.

That's because there's no threat to them. If the situation was tenser, and there was some open controversy about Hawaii, with another superpower taking sides, they could do all that, and worse.

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Post by thinkloop »

coldtea wrote: post #497
kodablah wrote: post #115

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> That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country Of course not. They'd just ignore you. Not force you to suspend online sales to your 300 stores in the country. Why is there always someone willing to twist things into a pretzel in search of moral equivalence when it comes to China or Russia? There's no pot. There's no kettle. Using your leverage to force a company…

> Of course not. They'd just ignore you. Not force you to suspend online sales to your 300 stores in the country. That's because there's no threat to them. If the situation was tenser, and there was some open controversy about Hawaii, with another superpower taking sides, they could do all that, and worse.

Palestine is a good example, it can be politically detrimental to have the wrong opinion

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Post by lostlogin »

ucarion wrote: post #137
chrischen wrote: post #56

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That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country. It was also invaded and then forcibly gentrified and colonized. That's not to even mention the entirety of the United States. It's not so much if China has legitimate claims on Tibet so much as it's the pot calling the kettle black. The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries telling another country…

The government of the United States does not demand that mainland China relinquish control of Tibet. Nor does the USA insist on censoring mainland controversies or on punishing foreigners who say inconvenient things. This difference is essential. You are free to criticize America. People, including politicians, regularly do so. China, despite claiming to be a strong, ascendant power, is remarkably sensitive when it c…

> You are free to criticize America. People, including politicians, regularly do so.

Legally you are, yes. However it’s not seen that way but a large swath of people including the current president - the NFL kneeling/sitting controversy being an example.

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Post by setr »

chrischen wrote: post #56
lostlogin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were in China would you really find it insulting that Tibet is considered by some to be its own country? It was invaded, and I can’t really see any other way to characterise what happened.

That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country. It was also invaded and then forcibly gentrified and colonized. That's not to even mention the entirety of the United States. It's not so much if China has legitimate claims on Tibet so much as it's the pot calling the kettle black. The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries telling another country…

We have basically the entire state of texas doing that

As well as our most notable internal conflict was trying to split the country in half, and you still have a good chunk of supporters for it in the south. And the only real thing that offends people about that support is the racist underpinnings; and a common joke is that California should split off and form its own country (and take its politics with it).

It's hard for me to imagine that many would care if hawaiians also joined in and started claiming sovereignty.

Perhaps when they actually attempt to split off, but until then

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