Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by mulmen » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:30 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #472

anigbrowl wrote: post #318

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You can easily put a square or a rectangular utility cover into the hole, because the length of the side is less than the diagonal. This isn't possible with a circular cover because the diameter is uniform.

The parent’s point is that a lip prevents this for every shape, by making the hole smaller than the side-length.

Only with a sufficiently large lip. The diagonal of the hole has to be less than the shortest side of the lid. As I picture it in my mind this is an excessively large lip.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by losteric » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:31 AM UTC

douglaswlance wrote: post #306

losteric wrote: post #71

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We really just need better public education, as well as clearer separation between information and entertainment. Facebook/Reddit/Twitter/etc promote a regression towards the mean understanding... viral content reflects and amplifies the "average user's" sentiment and values. Acceptable for entertainment, but inherently prone to misinformation, propaganda, and demagoguery. Education requires valuing subject matter ex…

Why not support private education? Are you against diversity?

Taxes don't pay for private education, let the free market decide how to run those schools.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by austincheney » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:34 AM UTC

deviationblue wrote: post #315

Why do we think we'll succeed at "detoxifying" the internet? To me it seems like wanting everyone to say things that don't differ from what everyone else says. That doesn't happen off the internet. Off the internet, most people interact with those who are more or less like themselves, so there's less chance of disagreement. For anyone who differs significantly from you, you hold back your real thoughts and/or stew si…

> Why do we think we'll succeed at "detoxifying" the internet?

We won't. Honestly, most people don't want success in any form. They want validation, comfort, and instant gratification. If you have to direct success toward a broad enough group it will never be achieved lest you temper your expectations. This applies to all things. It even applies to choice of career, income expectations, and hiring decisions as well as expecting more mature behavior online.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by petermcneeley » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:42 AM UTC

kazanz wrote: post #95

I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

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Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by nradov » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:48 AM UTC

floren wrote: post #339

I can't wait for the word "toxic" to drop out of favor. It implies that the person is not just giving a bad opinion, but is in fact fundamentally flawed and dangerous. Arsenic isn't toxic because it had a bad day at work, arsenic is by its nature a deadly poison and you can't change it, only avoid it. The vast majority of people labeled "toxic", though, are just humans with a variety of opinions and beliefs, some you…

Totalitarian ideologies such as Communism, Fascism, and Islamic Fundamentalism are inherently, irretrievably toxic. They place the entire future of the human race at risk. I don't favor censoring them but we need to ceaselessly oppose them and shun their proponents.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by newen » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:52 AM UTC

Retra wrote: post #428

newen wrote: post #401

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Good for you but it's hard to take you remotely seriously when you try to relate SA and high quality conversation.

Are you trying to be ironic on purpose?

SA is basically 4chan except you have to pay 10 bucks to join. I don't really see the joke here.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by jsonne » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:54 AM UTC

siegecraft wrote: post #148

This problem is easy to solve: give users the tools to do their own filtering. But services like to pretend that it's a hard problem because they don't want to actually cede that control to their users. The whole point of controlling the communication networks is to control what and how people say and hear.

Reddit actually has this and it essentially saved my experience of the site and kept me around as a user. I browse r/all frequently to discover new content and then use their subreddit filtering as essentially a robust negative keyword list.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by KirinDave » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:56 AM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #491

derefr wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent’s point is that a lip prevents this for every shape, by making the hole smaller than the side-length.

Only with a sufficiently large lip. The diagonal of the hole has to be less than the shortest side of the lid. As I picture it in my mind this is an excessively large lip.

If you have a very rectangular shape then the lip would have to be large.

Stop for a moment next time you walk in an urban environment. Look for circular utility covers you see in your urban environment as opposed to squaed ones. Look at the features of the circular ones vs the non-circular ones.

One of the reasons this myth irritates me so much is that everyone is so certain that they know exactly the answer but their actual daily experience doesn't line up with the results at all.

I've heard several people offer explanations from a geometric safety option (which is attractive for free-standing covers) to the simplicity of manufacturing (e.g., that it's very easy to make circular molds and get even density compared to square molds) to simply what the contractor suggested. I've also heard people suggest that metal cylindrical templates were something very common to manufacture for a variety of industrial uses.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by jessaustin » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 2:59 AM UTC

guelo wrote: post #470

floren wrote: post #339

I can't wait for the word "toxic" to drop out of favor. It implies that the person is not just giving a bad opinion, but is in fact fundamentally flawed and dangerous. Arsenic isn't toxic because it had a bad day at work, arsenic is by its nature a deadly poison and you can't change it, only avoid it. The vast majority of people labeled "toxic", though, are just humans with a variety of opinions and beliefs, some you…

Poisoning a conversation is a thing. And if you've participated in online discussions I don't see how you can honestly say it doesn't exist. You're implying that in every thread where a troll shows up to derail the conversation we all have to stop what we're doing and give thoughtful responses to the troll to show them the error of their ways. But then the only possible conversation is debates with trolls. But that g…

Implying dishonesty is toxic!

Oh haha well done...

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Post by mulmen » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 3:05 AM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #498

mulmen wrote: post #491

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Only with a sufficiently large lip. The diagonal of the hole has to be less than the shortest side of the lid. As I picture it in my mind this is an excessively large lip.

If you have a very rectangular shape then the lip would have to be large. Stop for a moment next time you walk in an urban environment. Look for circular utility covers you see in your urban environment as opposed to squaed ones. Look at the features of the circular ones vs the non-circular ones. One of the reasons this myth irritates me so much is that everyone is so certain that they know exactly the answer but the…

I'm not certain, that's why I asked the question in the first place.

I'm not sure what features I would look for because the lip on a rectangular cover would be under the lid. How do I know that the rectangular covers have sufficiently large lips to prevent the lid from falling in? I'm willing to accept that in some cases the lids are rectangular and there is a risk of them falling in.