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With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by m3rc »

eswat wrote: post #390
Retric wrote: post #286

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Many people spend more time on their phone than their PC. So, 1,000$ is not an unreasonable price if it's noticeably better. It's like spending 200+$ on a pair of shoes, they don't need to be that much better fit to be worth it. I mean 1,000$ seems bad, but that can translate to under 30 cents an hour if you're spending 4 hours a day on your phone.

But unlike a PC - though they’re getting there - phones and the ecosystems on them are becoming more fine-tuned to extract more money from you. App suggestions, Apple Pay, IAPs and who knows what they will come up with in the next few years. You may look at spending $$$ on a keyboard or chair that you use a lot as a similar purchase, but they are far less likely to dangle carrots in-front of you to take more of your…

Plus a phone has a much shorter life, batteries you can't change on your own, accidental destruction, a laptop will last longer than a phone.

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Post by alistairSH »

dhimes wrote: post #460
alistairSH wrote: post #395

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I thought the rumor-mill had Apple introducing two phones tomorrow - the 7 replacement AND the expensive phone. The naming conjecture has muddled the discussion a but, I think.

I see. I guess I was confused by this: (FTA:) "The company will also enter new territory on price: The latest phone will start at about $1,000, compared with the $769 minimum for its current top phone, the iPhone 7 Plus." So they are comparing 'top' to 'top' here. Got it.

Yeah, I think that's just comparing current top to new top.

My guess is we get a 7 replacement (named 7S or 8) and an ultra-premium (named 8 or iPhone Edition).

Or, maybe not, and there is no real 7 replacement. Just the ultra-premium, and the 7 stays on as the mid-level, maybe with $100 price reduction (and the 6S is retired).

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by cableshaft »

dijit wrote: post #192
fehrm wrote: post #176

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You must be from the valley if you think that a 1000 phone is economical. That is laughable.

It's a defensible position, I live in the EU so proximity to heaps of expendable income is not as abundant than in the US middle-class. In the UK we had a saying "the poor man pays twice", meaning that if you buy a shitty rake and it breaks you have to go buy a new one. This is kinda the case with phones too, you can buy a $450 phone with 2 years of updates, or a $700 with 5 years. Which one is more economical over t…

False dichotomy. I just bought an Android phone over the weekend for $35 (on sale from $50) -- the LG K3. It has an older Android OS (Marshmellow) a little slow, the screen resolution isn't great, and the keyboard input is a little more fiddly than my Nexus 5X (which bricked, which is why I needed to get a new temp phone), but otherwise it works just fine.

Six years ago I paid $170 for an equivalent phone (older version of android than current, slower, less ram, space, etc). On sale. And used it for almost a year and a half. So the low-end has really gone down in price.

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by dmoy »

grecy wrote: post #469
ksec wrote: post #248

If we take a look from a Global Perspective, US has the cheapest iPhone ( All prices excluding sales Tax ), and everywhere else had it more expensive. i.e The $1K Prices may be making a big waves in US, but elsewhere in the world they have been paying that much for an iPhone already. And in terms of iPhones / Population / Apple Store, the US has it most. While in Japan 60% of the Smartphone are iPhone ( i.e Higher th…

> US has the cheapest iPhone It is interesting to note among Developed countries, the US has the cheapest everything . Cars, computers, building materials, clothes, TVs. You name it, it is cheapest in the USA. It is interesting to note this is because people in the US have much less disposable income than people in other developed countries. Companies can charge higher prices in other developed countries because peop…

> people in the US have much less disposable income than people in other developed countries

Is this true? I always heard it was the other way around:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/...

And median: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by discordance »

nikofeyn wrote: post #35
racl101 wrote: post #4

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Yep, still doesn't get better than OSX.

as a user of both windows and mac os x, what do you truly like about mac os x that you prefer it so heavily over windows?

I'm also a user of both Windows 10 and Mac OS X. In no particular order, here's why I prefer OS X:

No advertising built into OS X on a fresh install. No default collection of usage. Faster boot times, faster wake up from sleep and faster shut down (ever been stuck on shutdown?). Forced updates, with a count down to save my work before a forced reboot (seriously, what decade is this?!). Windows Trackpads suck compared to Mac (even with the Precision Touchpad enabled laptops... and so much more.

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by jerf »

dogruck wrote: post #465
mbroncano wrote: post #414

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You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. In addition, the fact that's part of every discussion gives a hint of how much of an issue this is.

Strange how the US healthcare setup is largely unchanged over many years, yet the general perception is that it's suddenly total chaos. I'm not saying the status quo is best, but we didn't suddenly plunge into a crisis.

Almost everyone is politically motivated in some way to slam the healthcare system; nobody is politically motivated to defend it.

Personally I'd offer the somewhat-feeble defense that it isn't as bad as people say it is, but I'd stop far short of calling it good... because I've got my own political axes to grind too, even if they are nearly diametrically opposed to the local consensus. But it isn't actually true that the American health system requires you to sign into indentured servitude the moment you walk in the emergency room door, and injects you with strychnine and tosses you out the door if you can't pay enough to satisfy the bureaucracy this week. Ambulance crews do not prowl the street and abduct unsuspecting European tourists and force them to donate blood before they're allowed to escape. Doctors do not actually giggle with glee and make "chaching!" noises when giving you bad diagnoses.

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Post by drawnwren »

djtriptych wrote: post #487
drawnwren wrote: post #483

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That's why the iPhone is cheaper in Thailand and Korea where the median and mean incomes are lower .... Oh wait, it isn't.

Median income Thai and Korean people don't buy iPhones.

This is actually a) not true and b) not relevant to the original argument. I was amazed by how many people I met in Thailand and Korea who were struggling to meet $500 rent that had iPhones. More importantly, the original post argued that price of iPhone was directly correlated with disposable income.

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Post by leipert »

grecy wrote: post #469
ksec wrote: post #248

If we take a look from a Global Perspective, US has the cheapest iPhone ( All prices excluding sales Tax ), and everywhere else had it more expensive. i.e The $1K Prices may be making a big waves in US, but elsewhere in the world they have been paying that much for an iPhone already. And in terms of iPhones / Population / Apple Store, the US has it most. While in Japan 60% of the Smartphone are iPhone ( i.e Higher th…

> US has the cheapest iPhone It is interesting to note among Developed countries, the US has the cheapest everything . Cars, computers, building materials, clothes, TVs. You name it, it is cheapest in the USA. It is interesting to note this is because people in the US have much less disposable income than people in other developed countries. Companies can charge higher prices in other developed countries because peop…

Really? To me it seems like the US has a higher disposable income per household (after taxes) [1]:

US ~41k, Switzerland ~36k, France ~30k and Germany ~32k

[1]: http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/income/

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by panzagl »

jsjohnst wrote: post #468
h4waii wrote: post #452

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To clarify, he means he can both use it as a mass storage device on any platform, as well as it can be used boot an ISO if needed. An iPhone can do neither of those things.

> An iPhone can do neither of those things. That's simply not true, an "iPhone" most certainly can, just not with "stock iOS". Google "roqyUSB7" if you don't believe me.

Right, and an iPhone can get you to the grocery store once you plug a car into it's charging port.

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by tonkworks »

tosser350 wrote: post #384
hoorayimhelping wrote: post #377

The thousand dollar iPhone is the BMW 7 series of iPhones. Apple at this point is constrained by their supply chain. They have the capacity to introduce new tech, but the tech isn't capable of being produced at the scale to put in a couple hundred million iPhones, so they put it into a more expensive phone and sell fewer of them. Then they put the tech that works into the regular iPhones a couple of generations later…

I've always thought they should do a 10k+ iPhone. Plenty of elites would buy it as a status symbol even if the hardware really wasn't any different.

like a gold iwatch?
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