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Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by rsynnott »

Joeri wrote: post #429
rsynnott wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has a 72Wh battery; the Surface Pro 4 has a 40Wh battery, and this is presumably similar. So it's a pretty big difference. The difference between LPDDR3 and DDR3 isn't dramatic in actual operation; LPDDR3 uses about 70% of the power of DDR3. It becomes a bigger deal when the machine is in standby, however; LPDDR3 uses 10% the power of DDR3. This would be a big deal for Apple, which also insists on using LPDDR3,…

I have had several windows laptops with lpddr3, and the standby battery life was never that great. Windows just isn't good at managing battery in standby. I think only apple can bring up the power argument for choosing lpddr3 because it only makes a real difference in their case.

Never really used a modern Windows laptop; I remember the whole power management situation being a complete nightmare in 2001 or so, but would have assumed it'd been sorted out by now...

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by threeseed »

sacheendra wrote: post #101
nailer wrote: post #41

One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…

> - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. Not true. That is only for the iPhone. The Macbook has only national warranty.

Definitely do not believe this to be the case.

I've travelled with Mac laptops since the Powerbook days and every single time it has been fixed in the country I was in. The warranty checks done on Apple Support make no reference to the country of purchase.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by megablast »

crb wrote: post #76
Longhanks wrote: post #4

> The most versatile laptop. ...that doesn't ship with a keyboard (pen isn't included either). No USB-C. 16GB RAM maximum.

They'll "give" you a USB-C dongle. https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/23/15674254/microsoft-surfac... > Microsoft is planning to release a dongle that will plug into the new Surface Pro and Surface Laptop devices and provide USB-C support. It’s like any dongle you’d expect, and it simply slots into the Surface connector port on the device. “If you want to charge a device with a Type-C charger, you can. If you want to pu…

But why not replace the display port of power with usb-c. You get a versatile port for free?

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by AdrianB1 »

nailer wrote: post #41

One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…

Not always true, I bought a Surface Pro 3 from USA and the power brick was not working, the Microsoft branch in the Netherlands replaced the entire laptop and I live in Romania. I received the replacements one by one (separate packages for laptop, brick, pen) from Germany.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by hug »

make3 wrote: post #484

Do people still use these¹ cameras seriously, or is Microsoft trying to out hipster Apple? [1] : https://c.s-microsoft.com/en-us/CMSImages/Surface_J_Overview...

Of course they do. Just like people still use vinyl, drive restored 1930s cars, collect antique furniture, and watch black-and-white silent films.

There is a certain cachet to old technology.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by rospaya »

goatforce5 wrote: post #387
iaskwhy wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are." This can be misleading. I bought my Macbook Air in Portugal, had 2y warranty there. Then moved to the UK and the brick stopped working. Went to an Apple Store and since it was after the 1y warranty offered when you buy it in the UK, they rejected replacing it for me. Eventually went to Portugal to visit m…

I bought a MacBook in the UK and some time later when I was in the US they keyboard became faulty. I walked in to a US Apple store and explained the problem. The Genius person agreed there was a fault and then started tapping away at their computer. He umm'ed and ahh'ed and called over a manager. At this point I was thinking they were going to reject the warranty repair for some reason, but the manager ended up apolo…

> I walked in to a US Apple store

Also, only about 20 countries have Apple stores, so that's also limited.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by hnjp »

I have used Surface pro 1, and I got too many problems such as keyboard's key is broken which I had to buy a new keyboard twice. The surface is totally freezed when I connected keyboard to it.

I again convinced myself that the Surface pro 3 is better so I bought it. Wow, some problems are: - The top right of backside is extremely hot when I watch youtube. - Again, the Alt btn of the surface pro 3 keyboard is broken. - batter length is not as advertised.

Therefore, I wont never buy a new surface even if it is cheaper than macbook pro. I am saving money to buy a new macbook pro.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by AdrianB1 »

passive wrote: post #199

I've been using a Surface Pro 3 as my one-and-only for almost 3 years, and it really feels like time to upgrade, so I've been looking forward to this one. My workload is probably something like 40% reading, 30% writing, 25% coding, and 5% running code, and the Surface has been a nearly ideal form factor for this. The new "Surface Pro" ticks a lot of boxes for me: - Supports my existing keyboard, pen, dock, and power…

I have the same issue with the new Surface Pro: I run some VM's for robot automations (the environment is quite strict, that's why I need a VM) and 8GB is quite limiting, while the CPU does not matter, no need for an i7. Tough luck, I will not spend $2000+ just to have enough RAM, so I use the desktop (32GB) for solid work and a cheapo' laptop for portability. Too bad :(

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by maxxxxx »

bhauer wrote: post #443
devopsproject wrote: post #162

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It is only expensive if you compare it to the craptops from dell and hp. Its got the same pixel density of a macbook pro, weights half as much, has a touchscreen, etc.

> Its got the same pixel density of a macbook pro Just to clarify, the Surface Pro and Surface Book have a 267 DPI 2:3 aspect ratio display. They are fantastic. The MacBook Pro's display is ~227 DPI and is not 2:3.

From my subjective experience my MBP's screen is still better than the Surface Book screen. Despite lower DPI.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by abritinthebay »

adambyrtek wrote: post #456
ultimoo wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon my ignorance but what is the difference in the UK style keyboard vs the US style keyboard? Is the 4/$ replaced with the 4/£ key? Wouldn't this be problematic when programming (for example variable substitution on the shell etc.)?

There are two separate issues that need to be distinguished: 1. Physical keyboard layout (how keys are placed). There are two primary standards: ANSI (mostly US) and ISO (most of Europe). The most notable difference is the shape of the Enter key (L-shaped on an ISO keyboard and straight on an ANSI one). ISO keyboards also have one extra key and a shorter left Shift to make space for it. 2. Logical keyboard layout (ho…

The ISO layout is pretty superior in many small ways for non-english speakers but that's a really nice description of it in that link there.

As a UK->US transplant I really miss the Enter key shape. :(

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