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A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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> Validity: Four years, on a renewable basis.

I quickly skimmed the page, but could not find information on a basic question. Does this visa allow an engineer to immigrate to France as a permanent resident/citizen in the long run? If so, what is the time horizon one is looking at?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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>but it comes with access to top-notch free healthcare Does it cover stuff like cosmetic dermatology, full dental plan (implants) ? I don't live in France, I lived in different EU countries and every time I needed something the "free health care" meant I had to pay participation fee and wait 6 months walking around appointments and ended up going private clinic. I basically got 0 value out it, considering I'm young a…

Free university is a big deal if you move your family.

There are some (significant?) drawbacks to this. Although English fees are outrageous now, 8 years ago here's the differences I observed between English and German university. Because it's free, the first year has to be brutal to weed out % the huge number of applicants. Lecture halls are overcrowded, especially for popular courses. If you want a seat, you need to get there 10 minutes early. The amount of 1:1 with staff or lab time is often small or non-existent. And courses aren't necessarily set up so you can take them in the correct order. In England, 3 years for a bachelor is normal. In Germany, I have known many people to take 6 years or more.

So just because it's free doesn't make it better. Having said that, if you know the flaws it's fine. Many people go to University to have a degree for a job later, for that not having crippling debt is much more important than the absolute quality of the academic education. And post-grad courses and research don't suffer from this AFAIK.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Regarding French salaries again : yes they are lower than elsewhere but with some exceptions, French employers are not the problem : they do pay the same price for you as in other European countries, more or less ! The difference is that your average engineer in France costs them around 1.5-2.5 times the total take home pay, because of high, compulsory labor taxes. In exchange, employees get as standard : * a top not…

$130k in the US with paid health insurance, 2-4 weeks of vacation and dramatically lower taxes, vs. $50k in France with more 'benefits' and higher taxes.. Are those extra benefits worth $80k per year? Social charges really crush the ability for French companies to compete. Then with CDIs making it almost impossible to fire anyone, it results in a far less liquid job market. Now there's even talk of actually forcing m…

You make some good points, albeit most of them quite exaggerated.

For example "almost impossible to fire anyone" : the up to 1 year trial period is pretty much hire-and-fire at will. After that, it's never too hard to fire a single employee. It's true that mass firings are quite heavily regulated though.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Actually things have been changing in the recent years. We're seeing bigger investment, so startups can afford bigger salaries. Also multinational companies (like Google, Facebook) are opening engineering and R&D offices in France, driving up the salaries. Anyway, most of the tech jobs in France are in the IT service industry, but if you want an attractive salary you need to go to join a software company with a produ…

By the way, Google and Facebook jobs numbers in France are just anecdotal…

Google's office in Paris (rue de Londres) in pretty big. And it was only a few examples, but there are other wealthy multinational software companies hiring engineers in France.

I have friends who had an offer at Google, but joined French companies that aligned their offer with Google. So the impact on the job market goes beyond people strictly working for them.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Regarding French salaries again : yes they are lower than elsewhere but with some exceptions, French employers are not the problem : they do pay the same price for you as in other European countries, more or less ! The difference is that your average engineer in France costs them around 1.5-2.5 times the total take home pay, because of high, compulsory labor taxes. In exchange, employees get as standard : * a top not…

In other words, healthy educated engineers with no children who are motivated to work need not apply.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Did you miss the part where he said he had health insurance paid for by his employer?

.. which is usually capped. So you are covered for minor incidents, but anything above 200k (or whatever the cap is) will completely fuck you up. Because anything that will have that much cost will also be something serious enough to incapacitate you for a long time and leave you without income. EU healthcare usually doesn't have cap, nor a deductible of thousands of dollars.

...and has "preexisting conditions" clauses, right ? This doesn't exist in France.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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"the attitude towards healthcare : it's not a business, rather a right" "I first heard the words "Preexisting condition" when I moved to London and researched private insurance there." Might that be a reflection that it's private healthcare in a country which already provides free healthcare? The human right to healthcare is already catered for in the UK, through the NHS, so private healthcare doesn't have to accommo…

There are both in France. You have the official national healthcare that you're forced to pay "la securite sociale" and a wide range of private healthcare that you're forced to pay as well "une mutuelle".

private healthcare that you're forced to pay as well "une mutuelle"

You're not actually forced to pay them, are you?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Did you miss the part where he said he had health insurance paid for by his employer?

.. which is usually capped. So you are covered for minor incidents, but anything above 200k (or whatever the cap is) will completely fuck you up. Because anything that will have that much cost will also be something serious enough to incapacitate you for a long time and leave you without income. EU healthcare usually doesn't have cap, nor a deductible of thousands of dollars.

This is not even remotely true at all. Have you ever looked at a health insurance plan in the US?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

#500

FWIW, the US has Trump as President and he's about to Make America Great Again. So... all this debt/gdp ratio talk is just nonsense.

We don't need novelty accounts that regurgitate slogans and add nothing to the discussion on HN (whether this is sarcasm or not).
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