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GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by chronomode »

rauljara wrote: post #483
godmodus wrote: post #452

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i wonder how Linus would have responded, and if linux were to be born today, considering's Linus' abrasive tongue, would survive. some of these people have a point - their small minority though is pretty rabid and off point. i've never seen "RESPECT ME!" ever not backfire, on any scale and for any group. it'll be interesting how we will resolve this kind of emergent social angst - before too much of our future falls…

i've never seen "RESPECT ME!" ever not backfire, on any scale and for any group. Perhaps you mean something different than what I'm understanding you to have said, but demanding respect seams like it was a key part of women's suffrage, the American civil rights movement, and the more recent push for marriage equality [1]. It is true that there are still plenty of people who do not respect those groups, but they curre…

It's a powerful tactic that gains success under powerful circumstances.

When deployed during a minor skirmish, going nuclear often risks similarly nuclear retaliation.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by curried_haskell »

asenna wrote: post #245
nitrogen wrote: post #208

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Ignoring the fact that the VCs want to get paid and GitHub's employees want to keep working, how big of a skeleton crew would it take to keep a site like GitHub running in "maintenance" mode?

Can you really put something in "maintenance" mode without killing it? Maintaining the app and not moving forward with new features and adding value (because of lack of resources), I would assume it would just die eventually.

I really hate this, because this is what bloats and kills products. It's never complete, it always needs more features, until it implodes.

It's the corpse model of product development.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by acd10j »

bootload wrote: post #149

"GitHub quickly became essential to the code-writing process at technology companies of all sizes and gave birth to a new generation of programmers by hosting their open-source code for free." How much would you be willing to pay to store your open-source code at github?

Github Open source Hosting should be supported by donation model like Wikipedia. Where people and organisations who host code can donate in the foundation. This will remove major threat from it's existence. I would surely donate.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by gizmo »

cyphar wrote: post #473
gizmo wrote: post #450

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1. Equal treatment would be correct in a counterfactual society that is not racist. Acting as though society is not racist, when it fact it is, will just preserve the status quo. Racism needs to be actively counteracted for society to get better. 2. No, just stating that "2 out of a 100 black senators is too many" is racist by itself. To get proportional representation for all minorities the number of white people in…

Points 1 and 2 I'm not _entirely_ sure if I agree with them (I agree there is a problem with racism, but I'm not sure I agree with your conclusions about what is and is not racist as a result), but point 3 is the only one I feel I need to respond to. > 3. I don't know where you got the idea that diversity efforts are about hiring one group of people, but you're mistaken. This thread is about hiring managers that have…

"Minorities" is a diverse group of people by itself. Github already employs tons of white guys, so focusing future recruitment on women/minorities is perfectly sensible.

The diversity professionals at Github aren't the ones confused about what is and what isn't racist.

Even if github did discriminate against white guys (they don't; it's still a company owned and directed by white men) that wouldn't be a societal problem. There are thousands of companies out there where people of color and women face harsh discrimination, so counterbalancing that with companies that favor them would just help balance the scales. White men (in aggregate) face the least discrimination of ANY demographic, so panic about discrimination against white men is totally unjustified.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by smcl »

StavrosK wrote: post #269
matthewbauer wrote: post #189

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GitHub has a "network" tab under "Graphs" that might provide what you're looking for. But when people say that GitHub has better UI, they're more talking about the clean menus and intuitive UI. Some of it might just be getting used to one design over another. Although, BitBucket to me has always felt too cluttered.

You can't really compare Github to Gitlab, when the former has a fifth the features of the latter.

Wait did you write that correctly - GitHub has less functionality/features than GitLab?

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by cyphar »

gizmo wrote: post #494
cyphar wrote: post #473

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Points 1 and 2 I'm not _entirely_ sure if I agree with them (I agree there is a problem with racism, but I'm not sure I agree with your conclusions about what is and is not racist as a result), but point 3 is the only one I feel I need to respond to. > 3. I don't know where you got the idea that diversity efforts are about hiring one group of people, but you're mistaken. This thread is about hiring managers that have…

"Minorities" is a diverse group of people by itself. Github already employs tons of white guys, so focusing future recruitment on women/minorities is perfectly sensible. The diversity professionals at Github aren't the ones confused about what is and what isn't racist. Even if github did discriminate against white guys (they don't; it's still a company owned and directed by white men) that wouldn't be a societal prob…

> "Minorities" is a diverse group of people by itself.

So would be "everyone except Asians" but that would be considered racist. But "everyone except white people" is clearly not racist because you can't be prejudiced against someone who happens to be white. /s

> here are thousands of companies out there where people of color and women face harsh discrimination, so counterbalancing that with companies that favor them would just help balance the scales.

Why is the solution not more accountability? More policies in place to make complaints about discrimination more vocal? Discrimination against workers was outlawed decades ago. Why aren't we prosecuting it like the crime it is, instead of trying to discriminate against another group of people as though that'll fix the problem.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by electric_sheep »

rootlocus wrote: post #448
jolux wrote: post #410

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GitHub is a corporation. The Opal open source project is not. The maintainers in that thread who side against the "SJWs" still readily acknowledge that corporations have different obligations to political correctness than open source projects do. Lest we forget that even if you disagree with this, the maintainers also agree that somebody's personal beliefs are not relevant to whether their contributions are acceptabl…

> the maintainers also agree that somebody's personal beliefs are not relevant to whether their contributions are acceptable. So, why should it matter that they hired Coraline, exactly? I think you argued the wrong way. The maintainer states it's skill not political views that give merit. If github hired Coraline for her political views, then github stated it's political views not skills that give merit. > Either the…

I thought it was accepted wisdom at this point that software is people. Caring about people doesn't strike me as incompatible with caring about software --- indeed, for projects which demand collaboration between individuals (i.e. non-trivial complexity), I'd think it would be essential.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by knownothing »

thebspatrol wrote: post #369
knownothing wrote: post #238

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That's a philosophically naive view of how science works.

Claiming that our understanding of science 500 years ago is at all equitable to the way science works in 2016 is even more naive.

That's the opposite of what I'm claiming so maybe you should work on your reading rather than science. Our understanding changed over 500 years. And in another 500 years some moron will be saying the same thing you are, that we've always had perfect and final knowledge of science, and it will be just as stupid then.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by Sacho »

duiker101 wrote: post #460
taspeotis wrote: post #333

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If you're looking for a dark horse, look at Microsoft's offering [1]. Those are some deep pockets that aren't going to run out. [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/team-services/

I wasn't actually aware of this, looks very nice! I should probably take it for a spin! Has anyone tried it?

We use visual studio team services(previously visual studio online) for all our projects. The main pro is integration with all other MS stuff(something you expect as a MS-based dev).

MS has also been working hard into making it usable with a Git repository instead of TFVC, in fact, there's a lot of features and workflows that only work with Git - e.g. branch for work item, pull requests, etc(I'm debating switching from TFVC to Git because of this).

It has a lot of the features you'd expect from an issue tracker - projects, teams, kanban boards, iterations, a dashboard, the "work item" with all its configurable fields.. since it uses TFS as a backend, there's also the awesome query builder which gives you tons of ways to create queries and filters to dig into your work items - this is probably great for management. There's also a very complex permissions system(I assume, again using the TFS backend).

The main con for me however is the abysmal UI around discussions on work items. The discussion by default is stuck in a tiny part of the already cluttered work item screen(this has changed recently as they introduced the ability to fully customize the layout). There's a single textbox with a "smart editor"(ugh) where you can type your comment, and some limited hyperlinking(you can address team members and link work items), and you need to press "save"(which is actually under the default option "save and close") for the work item to add your comment. It's pretty clunky to monitor conversations(email notifications) vs github's notification hub.

Oh, and they're a bit light on various smaller features, but they've been churning out new updates constantly, so I think they'll catch up.

As a top-down, management-heavy approach, TSVS is probably a fine system. As a collaborative workspace for a small dev team with very little management, I find it lacking the killer feature of rich discussions that Github has.

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