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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by andrewchambers »

colemickens wrote: post #390
gohrt wrote: post #373

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Trump said that illegal immigrants are "rapists and murderers and some good people", "not their best people". You can disagree strongly with Trump's claims about what motivates illegal immigration, but Trump's stated view is not racist: he discriminated between two groups within a single race, and did not distinguish between races.

This is some amazing mental gymnastics here, wew. ""White people are racist, ignorant assholes, except for some of them."" ^^ I'm sure this comment will do well!

That is so wrong, a better quote would be:

"The illegal French immigrants are ignorant assholes, except for some of them".

The key differences are - Not all, the illegal immigrants. And Mexican, like French is a Nationality and not a race.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by oldmanjay »

fooey wrote: post #435
tptacek wrote: post #426

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Why exactly am I meant to be comforted by the fact that the craven opportunists --- the lowest of the low of the Republican party, discredited outsiders like Newt Gingrich and John Bolton --- are getting the most important positions in the United States government for kowtowing to Trump? There are important thinkers in the Republican Party. People with ideas and a moral core, people who have given years of service to…

America didn't elect a technocrat. We elected a bigmouth reality TV star. Should probably think of the Trump cabinet as something more like a Breitbart sitcom than a functional administration.

As there is no Trump cabinet as yet, this would only be something one should do if one were prejudging, i.e. engaging in bigotry. How poetic!

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Post by pjscott »

Cyph0n wrote: post #388
yolesaber wrote: post #369

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https://youtu.be/CoxxGhLFbw4?t=2m30s He argues that "climate science" is not real science because it has "science" in the name. I'm serious.

Hmm so in that case, "political science", "materials science", "veterinary science", "biomedical science", "actuarial science", etc. etc. are all not "real" science. Very convincing argument, I have to say.

He says that "it's often a tell that they're bluffing," which is a far cry from the universal condemnation of anything with 'science' in the name that you seem to be assuming. Please make an attempt to understand, then argue.

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Post by killedbydeath »

tptacek wrote: post #307
killedbydeath wrote: post #298

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Left-wing mccarthyism is as bad as right-wing mccarthyism. People should be able to support one of the two candidates without having to stand up to so much shaming in SV circles. Given the binary choice there may be multiple reasons to pick Trump over Clinton even if you disagree with him on a lot of issues.

Words mean things. McCarthyism was a movement that questioned the citizenship of people who supported socialism, and which demanded of the citizenry that they root out, report, and maintain blacklists of people who weren't stalwart supporters of that effort. McCarthyism had the force of a government behind it. What you're seeing here isn't an organized movement to find and punish Thiel-supporters. It's people lamenti…

We should value tolerance towards minority (in our circles) opinions. Unless you believe half of the country are bigots, you would conclude many people who voted for Trump did so reluctantly and despite all the stupid things he said, and not thanks to them. They prioritized his economic policies or felt Clinton is too indebted to the current establishment to be able to change anything. I know some people who did that and I respect their opinion. Regarding difference between McCarthyism having government support behind and our media/social media rage not, I am worried that popular opinions become policies in a democracy. If on both ends of the political spectrum people stop respecting each other completely, it won't end well.

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Post by fooker »

sgdesign wrote: post #442
edblarney wrote: post #290

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"Donald Trump and Paul Ryan plan to strip approximately 20 million people of health insurance, " No - they said they are going to repeal and replace Obamacare with something else. That does not mean they are going to strip people of their health insurance. "Donald Trump is part of a movement to dismantle pluralism in the United States, including the marginalization of immigrants and their descendants" This is a lie.…

So if Trump's problem is only with illegal immigrants, I'm sure he and his supporters would be more than happy to relax immigration policy and regularize the illegal immigrants that are already in the U.S., thus solving the issue?

Well, he seems to plan the J1 and the H1B Visas. So, he is seemingly against potential legal immigrants too..

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Post by snowwrestler »

tempestn wrote: post #472
snowwrestler wrote: post #365

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> Trump has consistently supported all legal immigrants Trump confirmed his own opposition to people of Mexican descent when he said judge Gonzalo Curiel had a conflict of interest. He said that Curiel, who is descended from legal Mexican immigrants, could not rule fairly on a Trump trial, because Trump wanted to build a wall on the Mexican border. Note that Trump did not claim that Curiel was an illegal immigrant, o…

I'm the furthest thing from a Trump supporter, but it is a significant leap to take his believe that a judge with Mexican heritage would be biased against him due to his anti-Mexican agenda, and turn that into an opposition of all people of Mexican descent. Trump has said some despicable things, but saying that a person of Mexican descent might be biased against him because he's basically a dick to Mexico seems reaso…

American pluralism, which the GP post was talking about, is the belief that people of many backgrounds can come together as equals and build a society together. Trump's focus on the Mexican heritage of an American judge (who was born in Chicago, Illinois, USA BTW) is a textbook attack on that idea.

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Post by gethoht »

woofyman wrote: post #331
reflexive wrote: post #269

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> From all accounts he simply doesn't have the intellectual stamina Can you elaborate on what accounts these are? The only estimate I've seen of his intelligence was based the school he graduated from.

Tony Schwartz who ghost wrote " The art of the deal" spent 18 months following trump around. http://jpupdates.com/2016/07/19/art-of-the-deal-ghostwriter-...

Wow this is fucking terrifying

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Post by sangnoir »

D_Alex wrote: post #451
kafkaesq wrote: post #238

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Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'? He may have, but like most everything he says it needs to be understood as "post-truth", and meant for the emotional impact only -- not the actual substance.

This "post-truth" does not need to be understood, it needs to be rejected, as hard as possible.

Post-truth is pretty much Donald's lifestyle. He testified under oath that his net worth "depends on how he feels at that moment" (paraphrasing). His state of mind defines reality/truth

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Post by t1m »

I am a Canadian, so I neither have a say, or really can comment on American politics.

This Saturday, my two daughters (ages 11 and 8) are driving a 1,700km journey to North Dakota to show our support for the #NoDAPL movement. I am doing it because my eldest is really into Aboriginal rights right now. These people are just trying to preserve their land.

I hope we don't get shot by Peter Thiel.

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