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Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by croon »

hueving wrote: post #199
acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

Poor rural people voted for Trump. I'd like to see a citation showing that trump voters had a higher income.

Here you go [1]:

Income Clinton Trump

Under 30K 48% 32%

30K-50K 44% 38%

50-75K 37% 44%

75K+ 41% 49%

[1] http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-elec...

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by nostrademons »

nvarsj wrote: post #470
nostrademons wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I've been wondering about: We're seeing this pattern where the coasts of many countries are cosmopolitan and well-integrated into the world economy, but the interiors are very conservative and nationalistic. Scotland & London vs. Wales & the rest of Britain. The U.S. West Coast & Northeast vs. the Farm Belt, Rust Belt, and Mountain states. Croatia & Slovenia vs. the rest of Yugoslavia. The Baltic Republics…

> What if it actually came to that? If push came to shove and the interior decided to push a nativist, nationalist agenda, what if the coastal regions that benefit significantly from trade were to say "Okay, you guys can play with yourself, we're going to play with the rest of the world." I think if it actually came to that, it would eventually mean war. The interior economy falls apart, coastal regions secede, the p…

I'm explicitly avoiding the question of whether this is a good idea and considering only whether it's a plausible idea. In other words, predictions, not plans. I actually think a major war in the next decade is very likely, and no, I'm certainly not looking forward to it, but I'm very curious as to what it would look like if it did.

So leaving morality and emotions out of it - why does globalization seem to disproportionately benefit the coasts? I don't buy the "because the government chose and planned that explicitly" - the laws and treaties they write affect all citizens equally. Obviously there are going to be some winners and some losers, but how did it come to be that the winners are disproportionately concentrated in certain geographic locations? There's plenty of military spending and military bases that go into Montana and Wyoming, and much of it is quite high-tech (that's where the nuclear arsenal, is after all), but you haven't seen Silicon Mountain spring up. What's different?

And if we answer that, how can we replicate that in many places so that we don't see so much political blowback because a large segment of America is left out of the prosperity that globalization has brought elsewhere?

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by the_duke »

zigzigzag wrote: post #468
nostrademons wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I've been wondering about: We're seeing this pattern where the coasts of many countries are cosmopolitan and well-integrated into the world economy, but the interiors are very conservative and nationalistic. Scotland & London vs. Wales & the rest of Britain. The U.S. West Coast & Northeast vs. the Farm Belt, Rust Belt, and Mountain states. Croatia & Slovenia vs. the rest of Yugoslavia. The Baltic Republics…

London isn't on the coast. What you're looking at here is not coasts vs non-coasts even if American maps might make it look that way. It's cities vs everywhere else. It just so happens that in America most of the biggest/best known cities are on the coasts.

Excellent observation.

It definitely is big cities versus rural areas rather than coast vs not coast.

It just so happens that most big cities are on or closer to the coast (or along large rivers in earlier history). It made travel and trade much easier.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dredmorbius »

Illniyar wrote: post #197

MMM... so silver lining - is the TPP going to die now?

Obama's promised to punch that through the lame-duck session. Maybe he can do that.

That would indicate a revolt of the GOP against Trump though.

Otherwise: fairly dead, at least in this guise.

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Post by seanp2k2 »

adrr wrote: post #213
einrealist wrote: post #175

A President who considers Climate Change a hoax. I am now really afraid for mankind.

Irony is Florida voted for Trump. They have the largest risk for rising sea levels.

FEMA will for sure save them all, just like before.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by makomk »

nostrademons wrote: post #327
thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

Something I've been wondering about: We're seeing this pattern where the coasts of many countries are cosmopolitan and well-integrated into the world economy, but the interiors are very conservative and nationalistic. Scotland & London vs. Wales & the rest of Britain. The U.S. West Coast & Northeast vs. the Farm Belt, Rust Belt, and Mountain states. Croatia & Slovenia vs. the rest of Yugoslavia. The Baltic Republics…

It's basically urban vs rural, the cities are just on the coasts for historical reasons related to trade and shipping I think. Global trade means that the economy has centred more and more around highly-skilled jobs that require the network effects of being in a major city. Rural residents can't afford to move there and probably wouldn't be able to get jobs anyway.

Also, being dependent on imports to feed the population would have major national security implications.

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