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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by newscracker »

Jordrok wrote: post #427
Inlinked wrote: post #390

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Perhaps a more nuanced reason is that you don't know it got lost in some spam filter. Out of sight, out of mind... [1] https://consumerist.com/2012/01/04/how-facebooks-message-spa... [2] http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how-to-check-facebook-spam-emai... [3] http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/entertainment/news/a42460/anot... [4] http://uk.businessinsider.com/facebook-filtered-message-requ...

I came across these articles a while ago and decided to check my filtered messages just out of curiosity. I hardly ever use fb anymore so I didn't expect to find anything. Lo and behold though, there was a two year old message from my best friend from elementary school who I had lost touch with forever ago. Lesson learned: don't trust Facebook with anything important, they'll fuck it up even if it's one of their core…

It seems to have become even more cumbersome and confusing in the recent times. FB does not indicate that there may be message requests or filtered messages (even from "friends") waiting to be examined. It seems pointless when you see a message very late and wonder how it could even be missed. FB's message system cannot be trusted with the lack of notifications about these.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by newscracker »

e12e wrote: post #138
galistoca wrote: post #31

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I'm not a FB fanboy or anything, but sometimes it is a good choice to free yourself from legacy tech burden and build for the future. The web (html documents fetched via http requests) were not built with mobile devices in mind, especially websockets. In the mobile era, all messaging is based on push notifications which must go through the device vendor (APNS or GCM), and trying to support the legacy tech in this lan…

Yeah, first they threw out xmpp, so I couldn't use my preffered messaging app, then they kill messaging in the web view, forcing me to give up messaging or move to their messaging app, with intrusive permissions. This after they've soundly established that they don't respect users, with how they mangled addressbooks with an earlier version of the fb app. At least, since they're closing access from alternative sources…

> As far as I can gather, XMPP is pretty much a dead end at this point, Google Wave is open, but also dead as a spec. So what'll presumably happen, is that eventually someone will find a new, sane, extensible and open protocol, and it will take over.

I really, really would like to see this happen, but if the past decade and a half is any indication, the ones taking over will be newer centralized, ad monetized systems. Most of the non-tech people don't care much about privacy or lock-in. I keep trying very often to explain to people why privacy is important and why platforms like FB/WhatsApp, etc., are not good. It's an uphill battle though, and most people don't get it or feel it's too much of a hassle to change their habits and that of the people in their networks.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by kevincox »

messenger.com has a functional messenger, that they are updating regularly and it scales very will to different screen sizes. Unfortunately they won't allow you to use it if they think your device is a phone, just pointing you towards the native application.

I don't know what this obsession with native applications is. A lot of the time I prefer to just use your website.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by r2dnb »

tyfon wrote: post #321
r2dnb wrote: post #275

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>As a side note, my company recently had a meeting with execs of our national branch of facebook, and after that meeting about 50% of our execs went and deleted their account... I am interested, can you please elaborate ? (Feel free to email me - see my profile - if it is sensitive)

I'd rather not, it is sensitive, but I can tell you that the whole management at our company came out shocked at how FB operated, and not to the positive. The issue was the "product"s (i.e regular people) privacy and the attitude towards them by the local FB management.

Thanks that makes sense to me, it is the level of insight I was after :)

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by nl »

tjl wrote: post #474
nl wrote: post #281

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Why? I like Facebook. It's a pretty well designed social application. I'm using it a lot more than I was a year ago, primarily for interacting with technology groups on it. Some people just like complaining. Really people should complain about Twitter's inability to innovate at all. They were the one Western Social Network capable of taking FB on, and yet it's basically the same thing it was 5 years ago. I use Twitte…

For me, it's two reasons. First, they have a history of changing their policies that mess with what the user has explicitly set in the past (e.g., changing all the e-mails to facebook.com ones, changing private things to public). That's what prevents me from using Facebook. But, for those that use Facebook, the apps have a history of being poorly written and do things that drain your battery even when you're not actu…

Facebook apps are fine for battery usage for me.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by Nexxxeh »

f_allwein wrote: post #196

You can also use Trillian for FB messages instead of installing the FB app. https://www.trillian.im

I had an ancient account, over a decade I guess, back when I was on AIM, ICQ and MSN, I think? I recently signed back up for just this reason.

So far, so good! I InApp'd a month, but will likely get a year's worth at renewal.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by pikachu_is_cool »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #472
pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #388

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There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…

1. This is ubiquitous among chat apps. 2. This is not likely to remain the case for long, among rumors Messenger is adding end-to-end encryption. 3. There is no evidence they analyze messages for ads. Zero. All attempts to prove this have been disproven. 4. This is not an argument.

I was answering the question "Why not use Messenger?"

To answer that question, I opted to list personal reasons why I don't use it; reasons I'm sure are shared by many. Your response is basically telling me my experience and opinions are wrong.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by pikachu_is_cool »

superuser2 wrote: post #453
dvtv75 wrote: post #448

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You appear to have no problem with a company building up a profile of your likes and dislikes, so they can try and sell stuff to you. That's fine. Why expect that of others, though?

Because it is overwhelmingly what they deliver. The very edgiest of the edgy use Telegram 1-2% of the time. Exactly one person in my social network installed Signal and he gave up on it after about 2 days. No one would dream of touching GPG. The .5% of the time an email address does not end in @gmail.com, it is a Google Apps account. Are your friends all Tor developers or something? I just can't imagine a set of fami…

Am I the only person who is totally fine with just texting people? I mean, given this is HN, maybe all of you people use Android and have no idea how amazing iMessage is.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by qmr »

baby wrote: post #346
qmr wrote: post #241

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I don't get why launching play store from browser is even possible. Did anyone really think that would be used for a good purpose, instead of just rampantly abused?

yes, to add a link to an app from a webpage.

I'm talking about web pages that instantly open the play store with no possibility of user intervention.
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