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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by bratsche »

seanalltogether wrote: post #436
bratsche wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I meant is, if NFC is the best way to replace credit cards then Apple would want to be in on making that happen, they wouldn't just put the hardware on their devices and leave someone else to implement it. Something like NFC has just been basically a bullet point on Android phones' feature lists, but that's not really Apple's style. They're going to build something to use it on day 1 or they're not going to incl…

The cynical side of me says that Apple won't introduce NFC until they can sort out the licensing deals that give them a cut of every transaction.

Yeah, that's part of what I mean.

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Post by cheald »

PeterisP wrote: post #416
nir wrote: post #265

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First the NSA, now the wife, what's up with people in HN? Are you all planning a coup with your mistresses? If you're married and your SO can't just ask you for your PIN code - and you will, without even thinking about it, give it to them - you might want to take some time to think hard about your relationship.

I can't imagine why I'd need to ask my SO's PIN or she'd need to ask mine - I actually would, as you say, probably give it without even thinking about it; but if you have a healthy relationship then noone feels any need to check the other's phone/email/diary/whatever.

My wife and I have each others' unlock codes because sometimes we get info from each others' phones for one another. "Hey hon, I've got my hands full, can you see if Jane replied to my text yet?" or "Can I use your phone to look up X? Mine's about to die."

We don't feel any particular need to check up on each others' communications, though. It's just a practical matter for us.

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Post by brown9-2 »

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Are you similarly worried about the GPS in your iPhone that you presumably keep in your pocket wherever you go, which is tied to your credit card and billing account with the telephone company?

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Post by jlgreco »

seangarita wrote: post #260
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

The government already has your fingerprints... DMV, TSA...

Neither of those has ever fingerprinted me.

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Post by swamp40 »

hershel wrote: post #331
swamp40 wrote: post #85

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So there are two things going on here. 1)They said the detection gets better every time you use it. So my guess would be that multiple versions of the raw fingerprint data are stored inside the A7 chip. (That information never leaves the chip.) 2) You can use your fingerprint to authenticate apps like iTunes, as well as third party apps. For this, yes I am sure they will use some hash that cannot rebuild the fingerpr…

For 2, the apps have no reason to see a fingerprint hash, only an authenticated identity.

How does it work now when you have to type in your iTunes password to authorize an in-app purchase?

I thought the password got hashed and sent out to Apple's servers to authenticate?

If so, wouldn't a new fingerprint based password have to do the same thing?

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Post by gpmcadam »

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Apple claims that the fingerprint data is never transmitted to any servers and is kept only on the phone for the purposes of authentication.

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Post by r00fus »

randomdata wrote: post #179
mratzloff wrote: post #90

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My music alone fills up my 64 GB 4S. I am waiting for the 128 GB.

On the other hand, my 4S has a persistent mobile data connection, so storing music locally is of no great benefit to me. I guess all we can conclude is that 16GB can be huge, or tiny, depending on how you want to use your device.

Ever done a road trip? Amazing how many places out there on major interstates have like no data coverage. On-device storage is important for cases like these.

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Post by r00fus »

uses wrote: post #403

At some point you'll be able to pick up your friend's phone or tablet, touch it, and without entering usernames, emails, or passwords, have access to all your "stuff", including the same homescreen / desktop as your own phone / laptop. There will be open source, open standard, secure authentication and identity systems chained together, kind of like an evolution of Persona or OpenID, and when you view a website on yo…

I was with you until you mentioned it would be OSS with trust webs like Persona… not that I wouldn't prefer it, but even Google is more about proprietary, cloud-based these days.

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Post by enraged_camel »

downandout wrote: post #360
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

So use a passcode - the fingerprint feature is optional. That said, I doubt they are doing anything nefarious with it - if it eventually leaked that fingerprints were being sent to the NSA, the cost to Apple would be incalculable. I would bet, or at least hope, that Apple has designed the hardware involved to be subpoena proof - meaning that the design would make it impossible to remotely collect fingerprints even if…

>>So use a passcode - the fingerprint feature is optional.

It may be optional, but that doesn't mean the device cannot acquire it without your knowledge. It is built into the home button after all.

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Post by bennyg »

madisp wrote: post #279
cheald wrote: post #202

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Because even if it's just digits and numbers, 62^26 - 62^25 is a non-brute forceable keyspace.

ah, but it is a passphrase, not a password. Limiting phrases to exactly 26 chars doesn't seem that big anymore.

Good luck brute forcing an iPhone without it locking up forever though - regardless of your semantic considerations here.
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