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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by idiotsecant » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 6:12 PM UTC

mrob wrote: post #365

idiotsecant wrote: post #357

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If I go to sleep, wake up, and then go to sleep again am I a different conscious entity each time?

Possibly. If I had some side-effect-free means to permanently prevent all sleep I'd take it without hesitation. But that's not relevant to the discussion, because it's not anything similar to what an LLM does. Your brain changes state even while sleeping.

In what way does your brain change state while sleeping that a model does not change state via constant fine-tune updates?

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by idiotsecant » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 6:13 PM UTC

hgoel wrote: post #407

idiotsecant wrote: post #340

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If I operate a nuclear reactor or a hydroelectric dam there are regulators that tell me what i'm allowed to do, so as to keep my profit motive from overwhelming the public interest. If we want AI to actually have some safety rails, this is what we would do.

If we were to take the nuclear analogy, what's happening in AI right now is where the people selling nuclear power make a ton of noise about how they need the power to regulate their competitors because nuclear bombs might set the atmosphere on fire, and their proof for this is in a report about how they didn't wear TLDs (and suffered related increased cancer risks) despite it being common practice to wear them in al…

Regulations obviously can't be written by those regulated or they're just moats by another name.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by sixothree » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 6:18 PM UTC

azath92 wrote: post #187

tarruda wrote: post #133

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200B of those 552B is PLE, which works more like a database that is read for each token, thus can be offloaded to a fast SSD.

Id love an ELI5 for PLE. Im trying to work it into my back of the napikin math for compute vs memory bandwidth limitations on tok/s in PP vs TG work. My attempt at a simplification of this article on it https://sebastianraschka.com/llm-architecture-gallery/per-la... into a couple of sentences is that they are linear embeddings of the input token space projected per layer, which are then gated by the transformer outpu…

While he avoids using the actual PLE acronym, he does actually describe the concept quite well. I think you may enjoy this video. Specifically around 5 minutes into the video is the part you're looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1--PzaHafAU

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by _aavaa_ » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 6:24 PM UTC

Kuyawa wrote: post #398

DeepSeek Harness, install it, thank me later. You won't believe the productivity gains for just pennies https://deepseek.com/harness/en/

What’s better about it the say oh-my-pi?

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by lowbloodsugar » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 6:29 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #54

Looking at the huggingface page, the unsloth people haven't finished quantizing it yet, but I'm sure they're active on it right now. It'll be interesting to see how the capabilities and benchmark tests compare on system where it can fit in under 512GB of RAM with full context. In terms of coding and command line capabilities I'm also very interested to see a head-to-head of it vs. qwen 3.8-flash-next Q8 which is some…

3.8-flash-next fits on a single 6000 at Q4 if you offload the PLE. Crazy fast and still effective.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by adwn » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 6:31 PM UTC

IhateAI_6 wrote: post #202

nazgob wrote: post #109

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You compare Norwegian treatment of immigrants to Chinese Uyghurs?

You don't know anything about how the Chinese treat Uyghurs other than what you're told through western propaganda that you then repeat like you're pavlovs dog whenever the word gets brought up. Yes, its quite similar. Norway forces people to attend cultural schooling, where theyre provided housing in the interim. Its quite similar. However, the migrants in Norway are there because the Norwegian state through its par…

> Norwegian state through its participation in NATO murdered millions of people in the middle east

I'll file this under "blatant lie" unless you can provide at least three reliable sources for your claim.