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Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Post by pixl97 »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #286
xboxnolifes wrote: post #261

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HN is very anti-religion. It turns off their brain when they see it and leads to these kinds of responses.

Please tell me which part of your brain is engaged when you converse with your imaginary friend? Is that really the best reply you could conjure? Maybe you can produce some evidence absolving the Catholic Church here? Or are you also an apologist for institutions that call themselves sacred engaging in systemic sex abuse?

While I am as anti religious as you, probably not the best discussion method.

Instead ask them if their church ever taught them anything on how to prevent sexual abuse, in both children or adults. Quickly you'll find the apologist for the church saying it's not the churches job even though they are in charge of children and vulnerable adults almost all the time.

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Post by grosswait »

antonvs wrote: post #414
deejaaymac wrote: post #382

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What a strange take. I grew up in a small hunting town (I'm in my early 30s), where most high school boys (most girls didn't hunt, but some did) had a rifle and/or shotgun in their truck, mounted against the inside back of the cab where you could see it plain view. We had 0 homicides from guns in the 19 years I lived there, there was 1 suicide by gun that I know of. Many of us grew up hunting to feed our family. This…

> see them as a tool. Yes, a tool for killing. You’re respectful of guns, but where’s your respect for life?

Respectful of liberty. A spear is also a tool for killing. Respect for life is not an expectation of the tool.

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Post by ikeboy »

basilikum wrote: post #312
skissane wrote: post #298

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> CSAM is child abuse but the perpetrator films their crime as evidence This isn't entirely true. In much of the Western world – outside the US – CSAM (or equivalent legal terms such as "child pornography", "child abuse material", "child exploitation material", etc) can include text, drawings, AI-generated imagery, etc, which no child was abused to create, indeed the child depicted in it may be entirely fictional. Ca…

Fictional erotica portraying fictional children is not CSAM. There is no child abuse taking place as there is no child in the first place. Conflating the two is 1. wrong as a matter of fact and ethics and 2. a great injustice to the victims of child abuse. This is exactly what I wrote about in the second part of my comment. People see themselves as the victim of CSAM or proclaimed CSAM through being witness to it. In…

Thomas Alan Arthur is currently serving 40 years in a US prison. He was convicted of publishing fictional text stories and two cartoon style drawings. (Note that he was accused of assault decades ago, which apparently factored into his sentence, but he was not charged or convicted of that.)

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Post by kaliqt »

nativeit wrote: post #282
Hasz wrote: post #236

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Because it isn't about CSAM, IMO. You see this with plenty of social issues, notably firearms ownership. The claim is we will restrict/license/outlaw xyz for the kids, but really, a data-drive approach would have focused on different things entirely (eg additional behavioral health services for kids, suicide prevention etc) The same technology/access used for CSAM identification can find copyrighted files, materials…

When did we aggressively legislate against, search for, monitor, investigate, and prosecute owning firearms?

This entire time. It’s a gradient and it has been getting worse annually. But the firearms tracking is only for regular people not criminals, funny that, it aligns with the problem OP outlines: it has nothing to do with helping and everything to do with controlling and subduing those who have the ability to stop them.

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Post by pixl97 »

egorfine wrote: post #442
kstrauser wrote: post #24

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I think you’re right, but from another angle. In the state where I lived way back when, a state representative put forth a bill to explicitly make e-CSAM illegal. I guess it was already illegal for print media and this covered a gap in the law about cell phone pics, etc. Thing is, it had no allowance for the age of the picture taker, or even whether the picture taker was the photo subject. If a 16 year old girl took…

> pulled the bill immediately This is weird indeed. These bills are mostly put forward in order to appear tough on crime and secure votes of the naive population ("think of the children"). Pulling the bill is detrimental as it may lead to "pedo supporter" conspiracy spreading among the district.

Eh, it's kinda weird that we're against pedos here in the US, then we elect them.

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Post by pixl97 »

fortran77 wrote: post #322
rootusrootus wrote: post #259

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> has to be changed so a person isn't liable if he deletes or reports the material as soon as he first becomes aware of it AFAIK that's more or less how it works today as a practical matter. The law recognizes this situation as an affirmative defense, but does not make it impossible to be charged. To be an affirmative defense it has to be reported immediately or destroyed, constitute three images or less, and not be…

We shouldn't rely on selective, "practical" enforcement of the law though.

Yep, especially when even an accusation of CSAM can be life ruining.

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Post by Razengan »

nozzlegear wrote: post #321
Razengan wrote: post #215

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> It is crazy people think apple isnt on the side of privacy. Look up the "iCloud Keychain" API: For years Apple has let and helped Facebook, TikTok, Tinder etc. track users even after you delete an app, even ACROSS DEVICES and DEVICE RESETS. There's no way to even SEE what data the apps have stored on your device & iCloud account on iOS, only through the macOS Keychain Access app. Even then you can't be sure that th…

It's misleading to claim that Apple has "let and helped Facebook, TikTok, Tinder etc. track users [...]" using the keychain API. The persistence you're talking about, which those companies exploit, is a side effect of how the API works, not an intentional surveillance feature. Furthermore, it's not some special API that those big companies made a deal with Apple to get access to – any iOS dev can use it. It's a real…

1. How many years ago was the iCloud Keychain API introduced?

2. Why in't there any UI in iOS yet to view and delete that data without using those apps, asking them nicely, and trusting them to do it?

3. Why aren't users informed about apps storing data that will carry across app reinstalls, device reinstalls, and to all your other devices?

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Post by redeeman »

inigyou wrote: post #426
redeeman wrote: post #416

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and this is very clearly unconstitutional. "shall not be infringed" is very very plain and simple

Yep, alongside "Congress shall make no law" which says it's fine for anyone who isn't Congress to infringe your free speech, or for Congress to do it in any way that isn't making a law.

thats very very obviously not how it works or was intended. then they could just come up with "rules" that are not laws, and then rules say cannot have arms.

all these insane and VERY OBVIOUS attempts to bypass the constitution should result in official doing it be put in jail FOREVER

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Post by inigyou »

redeeman wrote: post #489
inigyou wrote: post #426

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Yep, alongside "Congress shall make no law" which says it's fine for anyone who isn't Congress to infringe your free speech, or for Congress to do it in any way that isn't making a law.

thats very very obviously not how it works or was intended. then they could just come up with "rules" that are not laws, and then rules say cannot have arms. all these insane and VERY OBVIOUS attempts to bypass the constitution should result in official doing it be put in jail FOREVER

Who's going to put them in jail? Their best friends?
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