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Post by permalac »

xp84 wrote: post #409
brokencode wrote: post #352

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What rule about steelmanning? We’re commenting online, not writing peer reviewed research. And yeah, some people lose the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, but actions have consequences. Elon doesn’t just get to kill hundreds of thousands of poor people by eliminating USAID and expect everyone to treat him the same way. He’s made enemies for life, and he deserves it.

Wait, you think not giving additional aid = responsibility for whatever happens in the developing country? Does this blame go for the rest of the year, decade, or century? Does giving aid in the first place automatically trigger this? If I gave $500 to kids cancer research every year for 5 years, and then I don't give this year, do I have blood on my hands every time a kid dies of cancer from now on? And if you didn'…

Pretty easy.

Nazi salute. Supporting all nazi and far right movements in Europe, publicly. Inventing DOGE so he could fire judges and pave his way out of trouble.

Yes. Is easy to see why some hate him, for life.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jorisw »

Culonavirus wrote: post #434
Gigachad wrote: post #367

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The AI undressing scandal was on mainstream news and being discussed publicly by politicians. It's not some underground drama. The real life people I know still remember he called the cave diver a pedo after a disagreement. There's very few people left in the world not soured on Elon.

No, there's very few >left wing What mainstream news and which politicians? Cnn, Msn, Bbc? Which "scandal"? You mean that Grok Imagine had some security holes that let you "put XYZ into bikini" which were promptly patched but not before the far left and professional complainers activated their "mainstream news" co-conspirators and blown this out of proportion like they do with everything Elon related (or Trump relate…

> since leftists often play dumb

And there goes the merit of your rant

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jorisw »

reverius42 wrote: post #432
brightball wrote: post #340

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Reddit is not “the average person”

Right, to the actual average person, they have never heard of Grok. The average person who has heard of Grok is already on Reddit.

Grok is right there in the app stores alongside ChatGPT and Claude...

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by dminik »

m4rtink wrote: post #313
ahmadyan wrote: post #59

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How can an AI agent, that is usually running on some machine in the cloud, even run without actually pulling in the data into the cloud to work with it ? Is there an idea some sort of fixed localy running code does filtering on the data before it is sent to cloud? Still seems like it would not work very well if it actually did any safe filtering - as the model can't "think" without seeing the data and it won't see th…

The agent does have to pull some data into the context. The way it usually works is that the LLM will output a tool call, which is just some structured text, that the harness, a software managing the LLM running on your own PC, then processes. The most common tool calls are read, write, update and execute (usually bash).

For example, the LLM might request to read /some/path/to/file.js at lines 10 to 50. The harness then sends the result of that tool call to the LLM which causes it to generate further text and possibly more tool calls.

Crucially though, since it is the harness processing requests from the LLM, it can do stuff like deny access, prompt the user for permission and various other things.

What's weird is that no other harness really does this for regular usage. I know some providers now offer a cloud based environment for their agent to run in independently, but as far as I know this is something you have to opt in to.

It's also not really necessary to do this. The input processing/token generation process dwarfs any gains you could make from moving the project closer to the metal running the LLM.

Really, the "negligence" here is that there was no validation for uploads. Even a simple "is this the home directory" check could have prevented much of the backlash.

That being said, I believe that this was mainly done to get clean training data for Grok. If you're just working off of file traces/snippets from regular agent usage, your training data is incomplete. Why not just get the whole project to train on ...

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by imann128 »

GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Couldn't agree less. It isn't a "For the community move", it's more of a save-face strategy.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by verytrivial »

Aurornis wrote: post #456
xp84 wrote: post #409

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Wait, you think not giving additional aid = responsibility for whatever happens in the developing country? Does this blame go for the rest of the year, decade, or century? Does giving aid in the first place automatically trigger this? If I gave $500 to kids cancer research every year for 5 years, and then I don't give this year, do I have blood on my hands every time a kid dies of cancer from now on? And if you didn'…

> Wait, you think not giving additional aid = responsibility for whatever happens in the developing country? This, and your $500 cancer donation, is an absurdist reduction of the problem. The USAID contributions weren’t anything like your $500 example. It was the entire infrastructure for medical care and immunizations that people relied on. The proper way to wind these programs down, if it was appropriate, was to gi…

Well said.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by marbro »

Telemakhos wrote: post #242
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

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Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

Musk bought Twitter looking to build an “everything app,” the western WeChat. AI came along and promised an end to apps via an agentic OS that does what its user wants and vibes whatever it needs to accomplish that as it goes along. The agentic OS is basically the same thing as the “everything app,” and I doubt Musk will let go of that.

He bought Twitter to restore free speech.
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