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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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I don't understand this thinking at all. I share all the disillusionment and cynicism about Musk, shared here by others. But he has also done amazing things. When someone declares they are going to create a Martian colony, something literally "out of this world", and against all odds makes unbelievable progress for years, including re-usable rockets that return and land vertically, more efficient powerful engines, an…

There will never be a colony on Mars. Not in the way we think about "colonies". For starters it's too cold, too dry, atmosphere is too thin, and there's no reasonably sustainable power source. But all of that is irrelevant because there's no magnetic field. So radiation. So unlivable. There's also no point in a colony there. If life ends on earth it ends on Mars. There are no materials there we want. It offers exactl…

'..it might be assumed that the flying machine which will really fly might be evolved by the combined and continuous efforts of mathematicians and mechanicians in from one million to ten million years- provided, of course, we can meanwhile eliminate such little drawbacks and embarrassments as the existing relation between weight and strength in inorganic materials. No doubt the problem has attractions for those it interests, but to the ordinary man it would seem as if effort might be employed more profitably.' Oct 9 1903

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Statute of limitations is not a "bureaucratic technicality", it is the law.

Can some lawyer explain the rationale of statute of limitations? Like why does a robber get to get away with the crime if they are able to evade the police for x number of years. Is it just because the trials suck after a while cuz no one remembers anything?

Imagine if state could prosecute you for any tax fraud or mistakes in taxes past some years. Say 10 or 20 years ago. You do not have records anymore they have some. Seems like pretty hard to defend yourself in court. Same goes really into most matters.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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I don't understand this thinking at all. I share all the disillusionment and cynicism about Musk, shared here by others. But he has also done amazing things. When someone declares they are going to create a Martian colony, something literally "out of this world", and against all odds makes unbelievable progress for years, including re-usable rockets that return and land vertically, more efficient powerful engines, an…

There will never be a colony on Mars. Not in the way we think about "colonies". For starters it's too cold, too dry, atmosphere is too thin, and there's no reasonably sustainable power source. But all of that is irrelevant because there's no magnetic field. So radiation. So unlivable. There's also no point in a colony there. If life ends on earth it ends on Mars. There are no materials there we want. It offers exactl…

I personally believe that the legacy we send to the stars will be silicon.

Robots have landed on Mars. Maybe they will even figure out how to use minerals on Mars to build more of themselves. It is plausible to me that as far as space exploration is concerned that it will be autonomous within a few hundred years.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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I sometimes wonder, what does one need a second 500 billion that the first 500 billion is not enough for?

Interestingly, during the trial he promised to donate any potential financial winnings to OpenAI's charity. A move that surprisingly didn't get much press.

That man's promises aren't worth a whole lot.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Have we colonized Mars yet? Asking for a friend.

I don't understand this thinking at all. I share all the disillusionment and cynicism about Musk, shared here by others. But he has also done amazing things. When someone declares they are going to create a Martian colony, something literally "out of this world", and against all odds makes unbelievable progress for years, including re-usable rockets that return and land vertically, more efficient powerful engines, an…

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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My suspicion is that winning might have been a secondary goal. When OpenAI goes to IPO, all the testimony of former executives about Altman's behavior is going to be in the public record. A lot of that testimony makes OpenAI sound very chaotic and poorly run. That could prevent large institutional investors from wanting to take the risk.

Musk texted OpenAI's Brockman about a settlement two days before trial. So I take that to mean Musk wanted a settlement as primary goal, and that the threat to OpenAI's reputation was just an (unsuccessful) means to get what he wanted. That isn't to say it wasn't personal for Musk, just that he would have preferred to have gotten paid. As to Musk texting "By the end of this week, you and Sam will be the most hated me…

> "By the end of this week, you and Sam will be the most hated men in America. If you insist, so it will be"

Isn't this blackmail?

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Greedy narcissists are lacking in empathy, that’s what makes them greedy narcissists. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be empathetic, of course. Someone else’s lack of empathy does not excuse our own. However, consider that billionaires mostly reach that status by exploiting others. Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, they all fit that mould. Being empathetic does not mean being a chump. I’m not going to shed a tear for the poor…

I wasn't trying to say all billionaires deserve an outpouring of defence for their actions. Merely that their actions are as human as the rest of us, just in a different context. And like the rest of us, there are those who cope better or worse, who are morally better or worse. Police are another bunch of people judged similarly. Which is to say, there are indeed woeful billionaires. Possibly most of them. But don't…

> But don't paint the humans all with the same brush

But that’s not what I did. From the very first post I was explicit in mentioning greedy narcissists. Obviously that doesn’t mean everyone in every group, it means the greedy narcissists. That’s why the adjectives exist, to distinguish some from the others.

I’m not sure I’m getting your point, because I don’t really see where the disagreement lies.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Aside from the disagreements between these parties, what about the precedent of running a non-profit, and then transferring all IP to a for profit when it’s convenient to do so? I wonder if the government or taxpayers have a case to bring regarding that.

Yeah. I wonder if the question "Did OpenAI steal a non-profit worth what is now maybe hundreds of billions of dollars?" will ever be answered. If not it will be one of the biggest heists in history.

Of course that question has been answered. They stole it.

Only people who are pretending to be confused are people for whom it's in their interest to be confused.

They created a non-profit with the intention of launching AI to make sure that it would stay in the public trust, and then once it became really valuable, they spirited it away into private hands.

It's just a fact. It's obvious from looking at the thing. The details are designed to confuse and trick you into thinking that what you can plainly see happening is OK somehow.

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