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I don't think AI will make your processes go faster

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Re: I don't think AI will make your processes go faster

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Post by sarchertech »

satvikpendem wrote: post #477
sarchertech wrote: post #476

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Only if you’re talking about tools with very few users that haven’t been around long. In my experience the conflicting requirements and workflows that accrete over time are too complex for people to reason about without more formal methods.

> Only if you’re talking about tools with very few users that haven’t been around long Sure, most business needs only have a few users. I once built a dashboard over the course of a year only for a grand total of around 10 business executives to actually use it.

For dashboard with 10 users vibe coding is almost definitely viable. But so is no code.

If you are looking at just number it apps things like that might actually be 90% of all commercial applications out there. But if you look at where developers spend there time it just number of devs working on them, it’s nowhere near 90%.

There is some subset of applications that is too complex for no code but not too complex for vibe coding. If that was the niche you were working in you might need to find something else, but I’d be shocked if that employs enough people to have a negative impact on overall software dev job/salary growth.

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Post by r2ob »

enoint wrote: post #43
r2ob wrote: post #17

Large corporations with orthodox methodologies will take time to extract the best benefits from AI. Small teams, which still remember the original Agile Manifesto, will soar and overtake their competitors.

Speaking about the middle, once I was shown advice from ai that a particular ticket would stall at “frozen middle management” and should be shelved until “coordination” improved. That sounds accurate, but can you imagine what a token-obsessed PM might say?

Exactly, corporate bureaucracy kills progress

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Post by damowangcy »

ddosmax556 wrote: post #146

This article assumes that AI only has an impact on the development phase which is certainly not true. It can speed up every part of the step. Including ideation, legal, documentation, development, and deployment. Ideation: Throw ideas back & forth, cross reference with knowledge bases, generate design documents. Documentation: Generate large parts of docs. Development: Clear. Deployment: Generate deployment manifests…

The main problem is, it's not a one-size-fit-all tool, you need to understand what it speeds up to benefit from the speed up.

And if it is a chore, we already have some tools to speed it up, only if it is worth it though. Placing a button is actually easy if you get all the design system down usually with a component library, visual regression automation and testing automation.

If a team doesn't have tools and automation in place, AI might speed them up a little but it adds a layer of complexity, i.e. everyone have to manage their own workflow and tools. And when you try to align the team, you get the tools and automation that the team is supposed to have in the first place.

As for ideation, the problem isn't the speed of information ingestion but the ability to connect and understand different parts of the information, which require thinking. More information at times is just going to hinder the ability to think. For example, it is obvious to developers why there is a rate limit for the APIs but for PMs it might not be obvious. They might ask the AI whether or not a rate limit can be removed easily, how many days if you vibe code it and ignore the possibility that the rate limit might by abused by users just to improve a feature because it is too slow.

We are still doing alot of work with new tools but old methods though, it will be interesting to see how far can we go if we forget about the old rules and embrace the chaos entirely.

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Post by cryo32 »

wijej wrote: post #100
cryo32 wrote: post #39

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It's worse. Vague requirements still only power vague interpretations of the problem. Even if you provide good requirements, you still only have vague interpretations at your fingertips. The promise is that such things won't be a problem in the future, which is obviously not materialising. "Make a facebook clone" is the vague human promise to the end user. The reality is that it leads to so many assumptions which are…

Can someone pull that Steve jobs quote out re. The craftsmanship between a great idea and great product? Anyone who thought that gap could be shrunk substantially lives in delululand. Hence why we haven’t seen this explosion of ‘really great’ products come out. Many will continue to parrot ‘bro but the models changed I swear’. I’m sure they did. But you’re missing the damn point.

Think the AI bros are downvoting you here but I agree entirely with this perspective.

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Post by array_key_first »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #14
kj4211cash wrote: post #7

On the one hand, this is a clean post that explains exactly what a lot of us have been thinking and seeing on the job at large organizations doing tech work. Dear Author, I agree with you 110% and want everybody else to come to understand what you have written. On the other hand, it feels like we've been over this tens of times recently, on HN specifically and IRL at work. Another blog post isn't going to convince le…

Yep. I have the luxury of having my mortgage paid off and being able to be a bit picky about my work for a little bit. So I am spending my days gardening and obsessively working on personal coding projects with these agentic tools. Y'know, building a high performance OLTP database from scratch, and a whole new logic relational persistent programming environment, a synthesizer based on some funky math, an FPGA soft pr…

The reason these tools feel so powerful for hobbiests and individuals is the same reason that "two dudes in a garage" regularly overthrew huge software companies in the past: you set the requirements, and you have the autonomy to make whatever product you want.

In a corporate setting this isn't the case, and realistically writing code is not the bottleneck there.

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Post by array_key_first »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #350
monkeydust wrote: post #188

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The article pretty much plays out whats happening in our place, heavy use of AI in software development but we dont see us shipping faster, about same or perhaps slower (for other reasons). Its a weird feeling as were waiting for this utopia to kick-in but its not and were cant fully put our fingers on it.

The article and the AI skepticism crowd on HN read like the blind leading the blind to me. I'm at a FAANG. My org is moving much more quickly, maybe between 3-10x more quickly than we were pre-AI. We aren't seeing a spike in reliability issues. Things just get done faster. An org as large as mine has no right to move as fast as it does.

It's highly team dependent. Shortly, the more "coding monkey" the work is, the more velocity you can get with AI. As soon as you need to interface with customers and extract requirements, that becomes the bottleneck.

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Post by scotty79 »

From a very brief description, very quickly, AI can build me a thing that I don't want. But I didn't know I don't want it before it was built. With this new found knowledge I can refine my description and build another thing to find out other things I didn't want (and sometimes even some things I didn't describe that I might actually want). One of the strongest AI applications is requirement discovery.

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christoph wrote: post #407
solenoid0937 wrote: post #350

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The article and the AI skepticism crowd on HN read like the blind leading the blind to me. I'm at a FAANG. My org is moving much more quickly, maybe between 3-10x more quickly than we were pre-AI. We aren't seeing a spike in reliability issues. Things just get done faster. An org as large as mine has no right to move as fast as it does.

I’ve been back through your post history (not entirely) - you mention multiple times you work at a FAANG - so you work at one of 5 very public companies. You have been asked multiple times by multiple commenters to provide a single example of something that reflects this incredible boost achieved by , you have ignored every request for this, and I suspect will ignore this one as well. HN is going to die unless we all…

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Post by solenoid0937 »

christoph wrote: post #407
solenoid0937 wrote: post #350

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The article and the AI skepticism crowd on HN read like the blind leading the blind to me. I'm at a FAANG. My org is moving much more quickly, maybe between 3-10x more quickly than we were pre-AI. We aren't seeing a spike in reliability issues. Things just get done faster. An org as large as mine has no right to move as fast as it does.

I’ve been back through your post history (not entirely) - you mention multiple times you work at a FAANG - so you work at one of 5 very public companies. You have been asked multiple times by multiple commenters to provide a single example of something that reflects this incredible boost achieved by , you have ignored every request for this, and I suspect will ignore this one as well. HN is going to die unless we all…

Not going to break NDA and give up our competitive advantage for HN, sorry! I can tell you it's been useful for us, but thinking about how to use it is an exercise left for the reader.

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Post by arkadiytehgraet »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #489
christoph wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been back through your post history (not entirely) - you mention multiple times you work at a FAANG - so you work at one of 5 very public companies. You have been asked multiple times by multiple commenters to provide a single example of something that reflects this incredible boost achieved by , you have ignored every request for this, and I suspect will ignore this one as well. HN is going to die unless we all…

Not going to break NDA and give up our competitive advantage for HN, sorry! I can tell you it's been useful for us, but thinking about how to use it is an exercise left for the reader.

Perfect excuse for avoiding any substance (except no one asked you to give up the advantage or secret sauce of using LLMs, only the end examples of what has been achieved with it). It is also funny how you always leave out the name of the company you allegedly work at. It is perfectly clear why you do that, though: no matter what company you name, its actual employees on HN will quickly disprove all the ridiculous claims you have made regarding LLMs and AI. Keeping the name ambiguous lets you get away with it.

Anyways, solenoid0937 is an LLM-hype peddler and an Anthropic shill, not an actual FAANG-employee. See proof here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48269250

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