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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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elschneider wrote: post #92
operatingthetan wrote: post #62

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>Opus 4.7 is so incredibly powerful from my experience, I'm not challenging your opinion, but this is an outlier in the general current public opinion about it.

Yea, I've seen a lot of whining online, because its more expensive, but from the interactions I've had I'd say, that it's well worth it. To me it feels like another step change, similar to when 4.5 was introduced. Definitely a different beast. EDIT: it is also surprising to me that everyone seems to believe the people at Anthropic are simply incompetent and recklessly risking their good reputation, while very few con…

Having too much usage and not enough GPUs is a form of financial pressure, no? since you want to replace your less profitable customers with more profitable customers

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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jwilliams wrote: post #480
ogou wrote: post #459

Most commercial websites, especially tech, run multiple A/B experiments in parallel to optimize signup funnels and tier conversions. Even so, there should always be a source of truth for people. We should have some way of verifying what we get for what we pay. There are laws about this as well. This guy's casual and crass response is a sign of disrespect for customers. Unfortunately, that is pervasive in the industry…

I think there is more here: Anthropic's whole market positioning is based on trust . It's literally their reason for being. The Claude constitution has a major section about not being deceptive. Now this is GTM, not the model, but there is clearly a coherence problem here... and if anyone should realize the important of their market positioning it's GTM.

Agreed that it’s 100% marketing. In some ways Anthropic is more of a for-profit corporation than OpenAI which is at least partially owned by a non-profit.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by beering »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #402
daemonologist wrote: post #254

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I have to assume they're compute constrained and thus need to either raise prices or cut their lowest-margin products (which amounts to more or less the same thing, but with different optics), or turn away new users. My assumption is that people are able to very easily saturate Pro with Claude Code and therefore even though the quotas are lower (more than proportionally) the utilization of those quotas is higher enou…

I think there is a definite possibility that they aren't compute constrained, but rather trying to improve a sorry cash flow situation before IPO. Of course, I don't have real insight into available compute, but the vibe slope seems to have dropped a bit, at the same time as new GPUs are being shoved into datacenters as fast as possible.

Their enterprise API customers are literally competing to see who can throw the most money at Anthropic. Anthropic has very little reason to focus on a $20/month user, and with their current momentum (especially since enterprise deals are long-lived) they could remove Claude Code from the Pro plan without any revenue hit. In fact, it may be a huge revenue boost given the strength of the Anthropic brand.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

port11 wrote: post #473
solenoid0937 wrote: post #438

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Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about? No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing. In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.

I know of a very serious business that deployed Max to all of their developers. API pricing, from what I see, can become more expensive than just hiring another dev.

Well yes it is expensive, but companies are paying for that. It is far more expensive than the Max and it does go up to or more in some cases compared to the employee salary.

Larger companies are using Claude through AWS Bedrock and are willing to easily pay $5k+ per engineer per month for it.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

edg5000 wrote: post #465
solenoid0937 wrote: post #438

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Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about? No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing. In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.

But the API is incredibly expensive. I calculated that I would have spent 3000 EUR the last month, a lot more than the 100 I pay now.

Nothing for large companies though.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by beering »

SwellJoe wrote: post #192

Why would you even want a Claude subscription if not for Claude Code? Anthropic is obviously the best for programming, but probably nowhere else. Seems like a good way to onboard people to the Claude Code experience...everyone who's working seriously with it needs Opus, anyway. But, maybe that's the rub, if the Pro plan includes no Opus usage (which I think has always been the case), you might have a worse impression…

People subscribed to chatgpt before there was codex. Why wouldnt a Claude subscription stand on its own without Claude Code? In fact it’s probably a smart move for Anthropic to split it out.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by beering »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #413
kivle wrote: post #224

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They already effectively halved it with the introduction of Opus 4.7 and the new tokenizer that basically gives you about half as much usage for the same price.. Convenient to price based on tokens, and leave what a token is a moving target..

Source?

Look up independent tests of the new tokenizer for opus 4.7. I don’t think it was double, more like 140%ish of Opus 4.6.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by karl_gluck »

sroussey wrote: post #450
jsLavaGoat wrote: post #436

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I can easily hit the weekly limit on Claude even on the $200 plan. I have yet to ever hit a rate limit on Codex $100. And the results are almost as good. And don't get me started on Anthropic's extra usage scam.

How do you hit that limit? I’m never close to it.

Not the op, but it’s fairly easy to hit if you automate a kanban and have some stuff you want to get done. All those little “wouldn’t it be great if” tasks that show up after doing a big task become very doable, it just soaks your tokens.
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