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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by giaour »

DavidPiper wrote: post #198
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…

> consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and companies who know the domain best and are agitating for better financial and social safeguards for all.

To hear Marc Andreessen tell it, the US tech industry's rightward turn in the 2024 campaign was specifically intended to head off any attempt to regulate AI [0]. So the blame rebounds to tech CEOs even if you believe that only the government should take a holistic view of a given technology's impact.

[0]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-06-11/marc-andr...

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by jmye »

Ray20 wrote: post #453
only-one1701 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a billionaire and substitute teacher have the same political power in America. Couldn’t have put it better myself. /s

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GP said “a substitute teacher” vs “a billionaire” - why have you decided to pretend they said something else?

You’re also flatly wrong, given you’ve utterly ignored the trivial things wealth buys (for starters), but hard to expect accuracy when basic honesty is so lacking.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by jncfhnb »

Chance-Device wrote: post #390
jncfhnb wrote: post #342

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Establishing consensus through discussion is the basis of democracy

Maybe so, but people talk like they’re very concerned and I see no evidence these concerns are genuine. Is nobody doing anything constructive or even trying to? Maybe I missed it and they are? People can peacefully campaign and advocate for things they think are important, I don’t see it happening.

You don’t get to gatekeep having political opinions

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by mft_ »

jncfhnb wrote: post #364
mft_ wrote: post #197

Inequality was growing hugely (and still is) before the recent advent of LLMs. Given the slow-burning but growing resentment against the people who are profiting from this inequality(popularly the “billionaires” but in reality broader than that) I wonder to what extent they are supporting the anti-AI message as deflection? As in reality, many lower-paid jobs are totally safe against this generation of AI (nurses, car…

Removing a white collar job from the economy puts a worker into the bottom tier _and_ reduces the wages of that bottom tier. We are speeding towards a servant class. Uber was the first wave. Now it’s more mundane things like getting groceries. I doubt it will be long before we rip off the band aid and make full time servants more popular.

You're right, and I think we're slightly at cross purposes. I'm not disagreeing that AI will drive some major societal changes as you outline.

My point is that the current narrative of "AI will take our jobs" is too simplistic, and that it might even be a smokescreen against the rising inequality that is already fueling anger across the world and which is totally unrelated to AI. If you're struggling to pay your bills today, that's not AI's fault - it's years of bad politics and politicians, geopolitics, hyper-capitalism, supply-chain issues, inflation, and so on.

In the future, if/when AI decimates parts of the middle class and they've had a chance to retrain, there will likely be a second-order impact on today's skilled manual workers. But that's years off, and not something I've seen discussed in detail in the mainstream.

You're probably aware, but if not, worth a read: https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by slashdave »

Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

Exhibit one: MAGA

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by username223 »

voakbasda wrote: post #377
username223 wrote: post #333

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Humans will give a slop machine control of a lab full of CRISPR machines because they think it might make them a dollar? It wouldn’t take Supreme Super Intelligence for that to go badly.

They don’t have to hand over control to lose control to AI. People are easily manipulated, and AI has proven itself able to manipulate people. How long until a tech is tricked or coerced into doing something dumb on a planet scale, based on intentional misinformation given by its apparently benevolent AI assistant?

> benevolent AI assistant?

“Volent” is the problem there. Whose fault is it that someone was tricked by a boy?

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by jackmott42 »

giaour wrote: post #481
DavidPiper wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…

> consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and companies who know the domain best and are agitating for better financial and social safeguards for all. To hear Marc Andreessen tell it, the US tech industry's rightward turn in the 2024 campaign was specifically intended to head off any attempt to regulate AI [0]. So the blame rebounds to tech CEOs even if you believe that only the government should take a…

Yes, our tech leaders would rather send america into fascism that have any impediments put in the way of their business plans. It is disgusting, and sad.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by subw00f »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #118
djtango wrote: post #54

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Magic or no, ultimately "AI" leads to labour displacement and it's just a continuation of the much broader trend of automation driven by computers. Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living and in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level. It was always going to be met with violence once it became more than a curiosity for tinkerers.

>Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living The two biggest labor displacements in human history were the agricultural and industrial revolutions, both of which resulted in enormous gains in human living standards. Can you think of a mass labor displacement that resulted in an overall erosion of living standards? I cannot.

The agricultural and industrial revolutions "weren't labor displacement", they were technological and social changes that happened unevenly and gradually in time and space and which resulted in labor displacement, but they were not the only cause, and they didn't happen BECAUSE of labor displacement. I would argue the subsequent labor displacement caused a minor part of the social gains to be later distributed and realized through class struggle, but that's beside the point. Most wars cause mass labor displacement and military technological advancements that later translate into society as a whole. Are you prepared to argue for wars? If you are American, you are experiencing firsthand the effects of what once was a major part of your industrial labor being absorbed by China. It has led to massive inequality and erosion of standards of living in the US. Not so much for the Chinese working class, which has increasingly improved their standards of living. Are you going to argue for it? I think if we only look at things from a limited perspective, and in this instance a technocratic and teleologic view of history, as in history has a designed finality and this finality will be achieved through unrestrained development of production forces, you are bound to quietly take part in the destruction of society and nature, now viewed as externalities, and accept the worst of atrocities in the name of "advancement", while most of any gains are captured in the short term by a minority.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by Chance-Device »

jncfhnb wrote: post #483
Chance-Device wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but people talk like they’re very concerned and I see no evidence these concerns are genuine. Is nobody doing anything constructive or even trying to? Maybe I missed it and they are? People can peacefully campaign and advocate for things they think are important, I don’t see it happening.

You don’t get to gatekeep having political opinions

I’m literally incapable of gate-keeping your political opinions, I’m stating my opinion.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by giaour »

Ray20 wrote: post #453
only-one1701 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a billionaire and substitute teacher have the same political power in America. Couldn’t have put it better myself. /s

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Yep, that's why substitute teachers' interests are more zealously guarded by Congress than the interests of billionaires are. Teachers have wielded the enormous power they hold to get a <= $250 deduction for school supplies they purchase with their own money.
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