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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#481

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

9rx wrote: post #480
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The link has no such implication. It just says he doesn’t have a smart phone. Even if he survives solely off of social security, his COLA adjustment will be more than $40 a year

It says he cannot get tickets because, as we established, he needs to spend $40 more over the price of the ticket in order to facilitate the transaction. So, either: 1. He cannot get tickets because the cost of the ticket plus $40 exceeds his budget. 2. He can get tickets because $40 more is no big deal. The link asserting that he cannot get tickets implies #1. If he can get tickets then what are we even talking abou…

We have established no such thing. The link in no way implies that he can’t afford a $40 smart phone, it just says he won’t get one.

He’s been a season ticket holder for 50 years. What are the chances that he would stop if it costs $40 more?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#482

Post by 9rx »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #481
9rx wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says he cannot get tickets because, as we established, he needs to spend $40 more over the price of the ticket in order to facilitate the transaction. So, either: 1. He cannot get tickets because the cost of the ticket plus $40 exceeds his budget. 2. He can get tickets because $40 more is no big deal. The link asserting that he cannot get tickets implies #1. If he can get tickets then what are we even talking abou…

We have established no such thing. The link in no way implies that he can’t afford a $40 smart phone, it just says he won’t get one. He’s been a season ticket holder for 50 years. What are the chances that he would stop if it costs $40 more?

> it just says he won’t get one.

Right, because the cost blows his budget. If money was no object his personal assistant would already have the tickets purchased and would be busy putting the game schedule in his calendar. The only hurdle is cost, as always.

> What are the chances that he would stop if it costs $40 more?

Huh. There's that figure again. If is not established, why do we keep seeing this meaningless and baseless figure appear out of nowhere?

Of course, it isn't meaningless or baseless. Contrary to your insistence all of a sudden, it was clearly established in a number of earlier comments as how much it would cost to be able to purchase the season tickets.

And so the answer is the chances appear to be nil. Best I can tell, he chose to opt out of getting tickets over that $40. If it was all a ruse and he actually bought the tickets all along, then what are we even talking about?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#483

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

9rx wrote: post #482
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have established no such thing. The link in no way implies that he can’t afford a $40 smart phone, it just says he won’t get one. He’s been a season ticket holder for 50 years. What are the chances that he would stop if it costs $40 more?

> it just says he won’t get one. Right, because the cost blows his budget. If money was no object his personal assistant would already have the tickets purchased and would be busy putting the game schedule in his calendar. The only hurdle is cost, as always. > What are the chances that he would stop if it costs $40 more? Huh. There's that figure again. If is not established, why do we keep seeing this meaningless and…

This is the sum total of what the article says

> This 81 year old man is a lifelong Dodgers fan & has been a season pass holder for over 50 years & was just told that he would no longer be allowed to get printed tickets only digital from now on & he’s barely able to navigate a computer & phone.Dodgers aren’t replying to anyone.

At no point did it say he couldn’t afford season tickets for the first time in 50 years because he couldn’t afford a cell phone.

But now you are saying he can afford season tickets and a “personal assistant”, but a cell phone is a bridge too far? If the price of the season tickers had been x+$40 this year do you think he would have broken his 50 year streak?

He opted out of getting tickets over learning how to “navigate a computer & phone”

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#484

Post by orf »

antisol wrote: post #476
orf wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm banned from using smartphones by court order" is perfectly reasonable and not at all outlandish if you're a sex offender. "I'm banned from using smartphones because I'm a hazard to national security" is not reasonable. it's crazy. like, who the hell asked? are you saying that if you manage to get your hands on an iPhone the state would be in danger? are you bragging? trying to impress me? i've never heard anyone…

> are you bragging? trying to impress me? Yes and yes! That is, indeed, exactly what a person who is part of that culture would likely do. For example Tsutomu Shimomura is hilariously famous for it - the book he wrote about capturing Mitnick is a great example. And part of the reason Mitnick's restrictions were so absurd was that he liked to make grandiose and outlandish claims, and they were believed. All those guys…

Not sure why you’re focusing too much on the hospital receptionist part - in reality they deal with crazy people all the time.

It’s ok to think that the average reaction to someone pronouncing that they are a ‘hazard to national security’ in otherwise normal interactions wouldn’t be ‘well that person is crazy’. You don’t need to take it so personally.

I just hope you don’t go around saying awkward outlandish grandiose lies to strangers thinking their reaction is anything other than “well you’re crazy”.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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antisol wrote: post #477
nobody9999 wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Protip: always use plus aliases when signing up for things like this. Use a unique plus alias for everything you sign up for (the convention I use is e.g myemail+yourcompanyname@mydomain.com). This convention lets you be sure exactly who sold your info when the spam comes, based on the to address, and it also lets you easily block email from that source after you've got your tickets. I don't use "plus aliases." I do…

So in other words you could have easily blocked the spam emails you were complaining about after the first one arrived. Regular aliases are fine, but they're more difficult to set up. And don't work everywhere. I do host my own email. But not everybody has the knowledge/inclination to do so. Which is fine if that's their choice. Plus aliases work for those people too.

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#486

Post by antisol »

orf wrote: post #484
antisol wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are you bragging? trying to impress me? Yes and yes! That is, indeed, exactly what a person who is part of that culture would likely do. For example Tsutomu Shimomura is hilariously famous for it - the book he wrote about capturing Mitnick is a great example. And part of the reason Mitnick's restrictions were so absurd was that he liked to make grandiose and outlandish claims, and they were believed. All those guys…

Not sure why you’re focusing too much on the hospital receptionist part - in reality they deal with crazy people all the time. It’s ok to think that the average reaction to someone pronouncing that they are a ‘hazard to national security’ in otherwise normal interactions wouldn’t be ‘well that person is crazy’. You don’t need to take it so personally. I just hope you don’t go around saying awkward outlandish grandios…

Interesting, I didn't know goalposts could move quite so fast or often.

Not sure why you made up a scenario involving a hospital receptionist, or why you chose to echo my point that they deal with all kinds of crazy shit.

I challenged your assertion that it was an 'outlandish and obvious lie' for one to state that they don't have a smartphone due to a court determining they're a threat to national security, and that 'He might as well say "i don't have a phone because aliens took it"'.

You chose to repeatedly fail, despite being prompted, to address even a single point I raised to counter your claims, instead shifting goalposts and making up invalid scenarios to try to prove some kind of point unrelated to your initial premise. It seems like you're the one taking things weirdly personally.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#487

Post by nobody9999 »

antisol wrote: post #477
nobody9999 wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Protip: always use plus aliases when signing up for things like this. Use a unique plus alias for everything you sign up for (the convention I use is e.g myemail+yourcompanyname@mydomain.com). This convention lets you be sure exactly who sold your info when the spam comes, based on the to address, and it also lets you easily block email from that source after you've got your tickets. I don't use "plus aliases." I do…

So in other words you could have easily blocked the spam emails you were complaining about after the first one arrived. Regular aliases are fine, but they're more difficult to set up. And don't work everywhere. I do host my own email. But not everybody has the knowledge/inclination to do so. Which is fine if that's their choice. Plus aliases work for those people too.

>So in other words you could have easily blocked the spam emails you were complaining about after the first one arrived.

That's not what I said at all[2]. In fact, I said[0]:

   I was required to install a smartphone app when I purchased my tickets, keep 
   that app on my smartphone for before and during the actual game. In the 
   several months after buying a ticket and seeing the game, I received no less 
   that 100 spam email messages (I was required to provide an email address as 
   well) from the team's "partners."
I also said[1]:

   IIRC, agreeing to receive marketing emails was one of the terms of installing 
   the app which was required to use the tickets.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47671480

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47678895

[2] And yes, I know you're being a trollish jackass, but I have a little time to kill this morning, so lucky you. That's all the feeding you're gonna get. Now back under your bridge!

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#488

Post by 9rx »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #483
9rx wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it just says he won’t get one. Right, because the cost blows his budget. If money was no object his personal assistant would already have the tickets purchased and would be busy putting the game schedule in his calendar. The only hurdle is cost, as always. > What are the chances that he would stop if it costs $40 more? Huh. There's that figure again. If is not established, why do we keep seeing this meaningless and…

This is the sum total of what the article says > This 81 year old man is a lifelong Dodgers fan & has been a season pass holder for over 50 years & was just told that he would no longer be allowed to get printed tickets only digital from now on & he’s barely able to navigate a computer & phone.Dodgers aren’t replying to anyone. At no point did it say he couldn’t afford season tickets for the first time in 50 years be…

> He opted out of getting tickets over learning how to “navigate a computer & phone”

Which is just a cost. Either he has to pay to learn, or pay someone else to do it for him. A cost you maintain is just $40.

> If the price of the season tickers had been x+$40 this year do you think he would have broken his 50 year streak?

Well, given your assertions about $40 being the added cost, that' exactly what he did. Allegedly. I suspect what you are really trying to get at is that he actually has purchased the tickets and that this is just a silly ruse for social media attention.

Or you are subtly trying to say that $40 is woefully underestimated. But you don't see that out to lunch to walk back on that now. I am sure you carefully calculated the cost. Else why would you post it at all?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#489

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

9rx wrote: post #488
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the sum total of what the article says > This 81 year old man is a lifelong Dodgers fan & has been a season pass holder for over 50 years & was just told that he would no longer be allowed to get printed tickets only digital from now on & he’s barely able to navigate a computer & phone.Dodgers aren’t replying to anyone. At no point did it say he couldn’t afford season tickets for the first time in 50 years be…

> He opted out of getting tickets over learning how to “navigate a computer & phone” Which is just a cost. Either he has to pay to learn, or pay someone else to do it for him. A cost you maintain is just $40. > If the price of the season tickers had been x+$40 this year do you think he would have broken his 50 year streak? Well, given your assertions about $40 being the added cost, that' exactly what he did. Allegedl…

I am not trying to say anything. I’m saying you pulled the idea that he couldn’t afford a phone but could afford season tickets for 50 years is ludicrous and you are the only person that has jumped to that conclusion when absolutely everyone else read just what the article says - he doesn’t know how to use a computer or a phone.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#490

Post by antisol »

nobody9999 wrote: post #487
antisol wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in other words you could have easily blocked the spam emails you were complaining about after the first one arrived. Regular aliases are fine, but they're more difficult to set up. And don't work everywhere. I do host my own email. But not everybody has the knowledge/inclination to do so. Which is fine if that's their choice. Plus aliases work for those people too.

>So in other words you could have easily blocked the spam emails you were complaining about after the first one arrived. That's not what I said at all[2]. In fact, I said[0]: I was required to install a smartphone app when I purchased my tickets, keep that app on my smartphone for before and during the actual game. In the several months after buying a ticket and seeing the game, I received no less that 100 spam email…

I'm being a trollish jackass?!? Fuck off. I posted a helpful tip - for you and for others - on how you can avoid the bullshit you were whinging about, and that you specifically claimed you couldn't block. You replied with condescending trolling pointing out how amazing you are and how you don't need my advice because you run your own email, as if that's some amazing achievement. What it does mean though is that, as I pointed out in my last message, you could have easily blocked the trash email you were whinging about once you had your ticket, making your whinging about it entirely redundant boo-hooing about nothing.

  > I also said[1]: IIRC, agreeing to receive marketing emails was one of the terms of installing the app which was required to use the tickets.
Uh-huh, sure, you pointed out, after I had posted and in a different thread that I haven't looked at since, that you theoretically agreed to receive spam according to a shitty set of T&Cs. I'm not sure how this is relevant to managing/blocking said spam? Or your assholish response to my attempt to help you?

Oh noes! They might cancel your subscription to their shitty app that you have explicitly stated you don't want! Maybe they'll call the police! I mean, you have your tickets and have been to the game already and have said that you don't plan on going to another one, and there's no way they could detect that you'd blocked their mail, so the net effect on you for violating their T&C is vanishingly unlikely to ever be anything other than zero, but sure, whatever, keep receiving that ridiculous volume of spam because you theoretically agreed to it, I guess?

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