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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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If that factoid were at all important then the military should use grip strength to determine who to draft, not gender.

We already have data on one of those… Pragmatically, the main reason that has been true throughout all of history is that women are more valuable reproductively. A country can lose half its men in a war and still recover. The same is not true if it loses half its women.

Pragmatically, the main weapon in most wars were arrows and swords.

Pragmatically, most of the military is far from the battlefield - or the battlefield is on home territory, in which case everyone is involved anyway, so train 'em all and let the Night Witches fly, as the Soviets did when they needed more fighting forces against the Germans. "Some 400,000 women fought for the Red Army on the front lines"[1], and were not saved for later potential reproductive use.

Pragmatically, women are much more more than a baby gestation machines.

Since you have no problems with sterile women (tubes tied, no uterus, etc.) in the military, there's really no need to jump into a thread about rejecting ALL women from the military based on hand group strength.

[1] https://hilo.hawaii.edu/campuscenter/hohonu/volumes/document... linked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Raskova .

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Yeah, those are just pretty words without the power to enforce them, like everything else the UN does

Almost everything about societies except cities is just pretty words. Countries and most borders are just an abstraction. We fight for them because someone convinces us with words to do so. We could do the same for the UN and it would be a much nobler cause in most cases.

Human territory is absolutely natural and exists in other apes also.

The feeling of defending territory is natural and is not words

Only what constitutes the territory to defend has been warped by words.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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No crazier than that the old can vote to send the young to war.

A little crazier — the old were once young, and could have been voted into a war themselves.

Trans people exist. So: Some women were treated by law as "once men, and could have been voted into a war themselves

Footnote: But not necessarily felt to be correctly labeled men, ever in life.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Whilst I agree, to be fair, a passport is usually only needed when entering a country, not leaving one, right? Under the cited rule, the US needs to allow you to leave , not help you in entering some other country.

I have yet to leave a country (well, a state technically) without having to show a passport - with the exception of the Schengen area.

I mean, really not trying to frame this in any way, but asylum seekers do it all the time.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

Germany participated how there?

Germany participated in the NATO military campaign/occupation of Afghanistan, including ground forces, naval activities and special operations units. Its seems a total of 150,000 German soldiers (and police officers?) were deployed overall (not at the same time of course); of them, 62 were killed and 249 wounded:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_casualties...

Germany was also directly involved in the NATO campaign against (former) Yugoslavia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

and finally, Germany hosts large contigents of US forces, including air forces likely involved in the current illegal war against Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_Air_Base

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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It's unenforceable in the EU that has no borders.

EU law overrides and breaks German law. Germany is d'accord with that.

So if german consitution sayed, starting in cold war era, what this law states, then the newer joining into EU made a new law, bringing freizügigkeit ("feedom of movement") to superseed even our Grundgesetz.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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The older I get the more I can't stand "countries" as a concept. Especially this notion that somehow countries own their citizens. It's quite gross to me... Countries do not own their citizens, citizens own their countries. Countries are a technology - albeit an old and sometimes useful technology, but a technology. This is like an iPhone requiring your permission to leave it on the counter for a day. This idea that…

If you don't fight for your rights you lose them.

Quite shocking to see the downvotes I'm getting - and you're right, I have been fighting for them, but I am only one person. But it definitely seems like most people would much rather do what they were told than risk anything.

It distresses me a bit.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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> Annual budget $31.3 million (FY 2024) If it hasn’t been used in 50 years, is there some other use for the registry or the organization or why hasn’t this been cut yet?

The Army of the United States has also not been used in over 50 years,but does that mean it couldn't be used again?

Can I move to whichever dimension it is you live in?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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? This includes all male citizens aged 18 - 45.

It doesn't, only German citizens

does citizen and German not mean the same thing? Are EU citizens living permanently in germany even considered to have a duty to either militarily or in civil service serve in war times?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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I have yet to leave a country (well, a state technically) without having to show a passport - with the exception of the Schengen area.

I mean, really not trying to frame this in any way, but asylum seekers do it all the time.

Ok, fair enough, but if I were German - I don't really think I would asylum anywhere on the basis of Germany maybe intending to conscript me in the future.
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