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EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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post #427

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That is not a pure upgrade, GPL may well be the "better" / safer / trusted /... option for some

You're welcome to take an MIT-licensed project, fork it, and relicense it as GPL. The inverse? not so much. Hard to sell it as anything but an upgrade if you care about open source.

The thread here doesn't explain why GPL might be better. So I'll try.

You're correct, with MIT there are a lot less restrictions. I can make GPL or pretty much any other license. Including one that I sell and never have to release the source of.

The latter option means if you make a product off of it, you have no obligation to share or even fund upstream development. This kind of situation has strangled other products.

Consider if Linux was released under MIT. Then companies like Oracle and RedHat (now owned by IBM) who have strong incentives to keep improvements to themselves and fund a lot of development would never share those improvements. Linux is the most used operating system in the world because of _everyone_ contributing back. But a MBA would want to privitize the profits.

If you care about the long term openness of a product, then GPL is hard to beat.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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post #411

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WordPress is the most popular CMS, and, at any moment in time, especially lately, there are a lot of people looking for a "WP alternative". I agree that it's not actually compatible, but it seems they tried to make it similar just enough to be able to use the word without 100% lying and attract people that way.

Nobody is looking for wp alternatives, if they were they would have moved long ago, as there are tens of similar CMS's that were supposed to be much "better" on paper yet never took of like octobercms,gravcms,ghost,netlify,wagtails,etc

Wagtail is fantastic. Pretty much the go to Python-based CMS to use these days.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not a pure upgrade, GPL may well be the "better" / safer / trusted /... option for some

You're welcome to take an MIT-licensed project, fork it, and relicense it as GPL. The inverse? not so much. Hard to sell it as anything but an upgrade if you care about open source.

> Hard to sell it as anything but an upgrade if you care about open source.

Quite the opposite. We care about these freedoms enough that we want everyone to enjoy them. We don't want a third party to take this work and use it to lock more people into their proprietary software.

The ideological split likely comes from whether you care more about developers having the freedom to do whatever they want, or do you care about users having access to software which works the way they want it to.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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After the last time Cloudflare released some vibecoded crap that wasn't what they said it was (this happened more than once, but the last one was Matrix), my interest to engage with this was near zero. The name did the rest. Fuck this entire fucking industry.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Welp, it looks like if you selfhost, the sandboxing of plugins benefit goes out thr window from what I'm reading. What kind of open source is that? Opencore? More like openinsecure, for thr security version, pay the Piper. I might still give it a try, but I sure hope we can put monthly monetary ceiling, had ceilings on our accounts. Anyone knows if cost-caps are possible on CLOUDFLARE??

Also, it looks like there are egress charges to download R2 object storage. So he day we choose to exit stage left, we will be taxed. Wanna setup independent backups for compliance, we will get taxed on egress. Am I reading this right guys??

You read it wrong. Egress from R2 is free. https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/pricing/

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Huh? That’s not how i think you should be approaching that. I always run local, staging, and production sites. It’s easy to setup and deploy across.

How do you deploy menu changes from staging to production?

I remember when I looked at Wordpress for the first time, like 15 years ago, and was baffled that a dev/test/prod workflow involved copying filesystem content, database content, and changing URLs that got saved in the database. I couldn't believe what a steaming pile of garbage architecture it was.

Fast-forward to last year and I'm asked to look at it again. Surely, I think, in the ensuing time somebody would have rectified the architectural stupidity. It's a wildly popular platform, I thought. Surely it can't still be so terrible...

Fool me twice, I guess. >sigh<

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