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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by midiguy »

bawolff wrote: post #461
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

It does seem like that is literally what happened. The only people i ever hear say anything positive about beyond burger (after the novelty wore off) was meat eaters. Vegeterians, for whatever reason, tended not to like it. But meat eaters were always going to choose meat anyways, so it seems like nobody actually bought it.

I feel like I am exactly the target demographic. Love the taste of meat. Would eat it every day if there were no consequences. But I mostly cook vegetarian at home because my wife is veg and I do somewhat care about the impacts of factory farming ('ethical' meat being stupid expensive). For me Beyond burgers are a good way to scratch that itch a bit. I feel like there must be many more people like me because meat is both delicious and problematic but maybe that's my own bias.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by penguin_booze »

liveoneggs wrote: post #356
penguin_booze wrote: post #285

I badly wanted no other market to develop but synthesised meat, to produce something at par with natural one. The industry has successfully marketed and packaged meat as "that thing you buy", hiding the immense and unconscionable cruelty which sentient beings are subjected to.

you can easily opt out of meat eating and try learning not to desire control over every other person

Which part did you read as 'desire to control'?

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

deepvibrations wrote: post #449
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #328

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No, if anything plant-eaters are less healthy because they have a less diverse diet. Ideally animals with a fairly high energy budget need to be omnivores, like for example humans. If you look at animals of comparable weight, all the herbivores are ruminants, or woefully unsuccessful. Even fairly small horses, for example, have a really bad time trying to get enough nutrition from their diet and if they eat a tiny bi…

Just going to address a few points here in case people believe this! > plant-eaters are less healthy because they have a less diverse diet The idea that herbivores have a "less diverse" diet is rubbish. Lots of herbivores (like elephants or deer) eat hundreds of different plant species. > "ruminants, or woefully unsuccessful" This is also rubbish. Horses, Rhinos, Elephants, and Rabbits are all highly successful non-r…

> they are "fragile" because humans have bred them for extreme speed and aesthetics, at the cost of general health etc.

Very much the opposite.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by TeMPOraL »

littlexsparkee wrote: post #426
malfist wrote: post #405

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Salt is not a health concern unless you specifically have a specific subset of cardiac health problems. The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not have any reason to restrict salt intake.

High salt increases likelihood of kidney stones

And high water increases likelihood of electrocution. And very high water increases likelihood of finding yourself with a wet T-shirt.

"Increases likelihood" is bullshit at best (manipulation more typically) without quantifying how much, and how much would it need to be to be remotely significant.

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Post by drakonka »

Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

People like me: who prefer not to kill animals to live but enjoy the taste of some type of meat in moderation. I am absolutely happy to pay for a premium meat alternative for the occasional visit to a burger joint. There are lots of them where I live alongside the Beyond patties and they're quite popular. I'm not quite sure what desperation has to do with it - you just eat things you enjoy that fit your dietary preferences.

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Post by Wistar »

Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

The demographic includes my spouse who likes the taste and texture of both Beyond and Impossible burgers much more than ground beef burgers.

Beyond sausage links are damn good.

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Post by cdcarter »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
ElijahLynn wrote: post #50

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Impossible definitely has more of a "dead cow funk" taste to it. Which is why I actually prefer Beyond Meat, because it tastes better without "that taste". I think it actually is "Beyond" meat, in that sense.

The issue I have is I can definitely taste ingredients and they don't really jive with me. Like, the pea and beat flavors come out pretty strongly to me and gives the patties a sort of funky smell. IMO, this is a much better tasting burger that doesn't try to fake beef flavor (Not vegan) [1] [1] https://www.seriouseats.com/the-best-black-bean-burger-recip...

I don't think beyond tastes that crazy, but I have to jump in to support this bean burger. These guys are the real deal.

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Post by lynndotpy »

butILoveLife wrote: post #462
lynndotpy wrote: post #435

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Tofu is so ridiculously OP in terms of nutrition, production costs, and culinary versatility. It's a shame society here in the US is so strongly stymied by the manipulative meat lobby.

As someone who is frugal AF and open minded... I think you are overstating Tofu. But honestly I'm mostly eating for nutrition rather than taste. Tofu doesnt hit the numbers I need.

Tofu uses about 50x less land, 5x water, and produces 15x less CO2 per gram of protein compared to beef. It's pretty remarkable by these metrics even compared to other plant foods. Tofu would certainly be understood as "OP" in any simulated game like civilization. We in the US are disadvantaged just for our intractable attachment to beef.

Plus, all the other nice things about it (high in fiber, doesn't incur the bodily damage associated with red meat and saturated fat, is complete protein, lasts for over a month in the fridge, can be produced shelf-table, etc.) And it's not like you have to choose one or the other.

Meat is subsidized in the US, so while tofu is usually cheap, it's not by as much as those numbers would suggest. (About 3x, for those just tracking protein. At my Costco, it's about $30 for 4lb of 85% ground beef or $7 for 4lb of tofu. That works out to $0.10 per gram protein for the beef, or $0.03 per gram of protein for the tofu.)

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Post by msie »

Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

I've had to switch to a less-meat-protein diet because of my kidney issues. This is one way to do it. It is pretty tasty!
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