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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by bluGill »

slg wrote: post #441
rjp0008 wrote: post #429

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Cutting someones breaks requires physical access to the hardware. Changing: if (brakeDepressed()){ engageBrake(); } To: if (brakeDepressed() && currentTime < '5/6/26 4pm EST'){ engageBrake(); } Can be deployed to thousands of vehicles, and would stop brakes from working during peak commute time on the East Coast.

Someone who can write out that code with that specificity should know there are countless technical and procedural ways to help prevent that sort of thing from actually making its way into consumer vehicles (or that OTA updates would be the only avenue to accomplish that). In a properly designed system, the only real fear here is a state-level attack. And I just don't think getting every Honda to crash at 4pm is a vu…

State level actors have plenty of money to find any exploit around those protections and some need little incentive. They can hire a spy to cut my break line but their gain is much lower vs the cost. They don't care about me at all anyway except if I'm in a group of 100k people they can get at once.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by _carbyau_ »

cozzyd wrote: post #305
antonvs wrote: post #253

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It’s interesting to see how people who grew up with smartphones think. It’s entirely possible to get around without smartphones or paper maps. There are road signs, written directions, verbal directions. The main time I used to use a paper map was driving long distance trips in a foreign country.

Yeah I wonder how they get around on a bike...

Really? Sounds like you are a possible customer... can I interest you in a handlebar mount for your phone?

https://www.quadlockcase.com.au/products/bike-mount

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by cyberax »

hedora wrote: post #475
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> the car is cheaper than the same class ICE, To give you some perspective, the most popular EV in China costs $6000 (Wuling Mini). New. The second most popular costs $10000 (Geely Xingyuan). I tried both, and they are far less crappy than they have the right to be. They are cheap cars for sure, but they're perfectly adequate for regular use. And Geely Xingyuan has a 40kWh battery in the basic configuration! This is…

Out of curiosity, do they support one pedal driving correctly (i.e., let you set it and forget it, and never unexpectedly accelerate from a stop unless you turn it off explicitly). BMW used to, but broke it on the i4, and presumably all the newer ones. Kia’s implementation is completely broken. I ask, because that’s the number one thing I’ll check for with future EV purchases, and it’s purely software.

I have not driven the Wuling myself, only traveled as a passenger. On Xingguan it's "normal", just like on Tesla or anywhere else.

The Geely did not come to a complete stop on regen braking, I had to use the brake pedal for the final ~5 km/h. Perhaps there was a setting to override this, but I did not check.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by AlotOfReading »

jtbayly wrote: post #386
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>you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled, then paying rent (or a fee) to turn them on. This is very much not what "software-defined vehicle" means which itself is very much not the same thing as EVs. It's possible to criticize the explotative business practices you mentioned (or bad UI practices like moving everything to a touchscreen instead of physical buttons) without linking th…

I’ve never had a software-based danger on my hardware-based vehicles. As such, there is a whole class of recalls that I never needed: all the ones you tell me I’m missing out on.

I'm impressed that you're daily driving what must be a 30+ year old vehicle. What model? Most enthusiasts have another vehicle to keep the miles down and use when the antique needs maintenance.

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Post by BurningFrog »

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It's interesting how many complaints I see on HN that are framed as if they're complaints about a specific piece of technology when they are really complaints about capitalism. I'm all ears if you want to criticize our entire economic system, but I think it's silly to have that conversation specifically in the context of car software rather than at a societal level.

Because we don't care about capitalism, we don't want over the air updates to our cars.

I love the over the air updates of my car!

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Post by bluGill »

moogly wrote: post #282
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Sure, but there is also China where over half of new vehicle sales are EVs. Denmark is at 70%, Sweden, Iceland, Finland and the Netherlands are all above 50%, a bunch of other countries in the EU are at one third EVs. In India, 5% of sales are EVs but that is double of the year before and all the big car manufacturers in India are now offering EVs. Even Australia is at 14% after stalling on EVs for years. So change i…

Those numbers include PHEV cars. As a BEV owner, I consider PHEV to be more ICE than BEV. BEV numbers are not as impressive, but we're getting there, slowly but surely. A bit slower than I would've hoped.

My Phev is about 80% ev. It uses a tank of gas a month, replacing a nearly identical vehicle (similar body and same engine - though other things have changed) that needed one or two tanks a week.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

sanex wrote: post #341
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Where does that leave GM?

Quietly making some of the highest rated EVs right now.

After writing off $7B. So they were early. But likely better early than late. VW is an even better example. They wrote off many billions, but they're now the biggest seller of EV's in Europe.

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Post by lmm »

slg wrote: post #415
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That's all motherhood and apple pie, but I'm sorry: the reality that we live in and incentives at play are such that if a capability can be exploited, then it will be exploited to the detriment of the consumer. Full stop.

It's interesting how many complaints I see on HN that are framed as if they're complaints about a specific piece of technology when they are really complaints about capitalism. I'm all ears if you want to criticize our entire economic system, but I think it's silly to have that conversation specifically in the context of car software rather than at a societal level.

If it's silly and it works, it's not silly.

Criticising our entire economic system tends to have very little effect. Criticising specific poor business practices and/or technologies that enable them has a much better chance of improving people's lives.

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Post by jesterson »

shiroiuma wrote: post #460
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>almost-all-EV city. Shenzhen is not nearly "almost-all EV" city. There is a lot of wealthy people and almost none of them drives EV. You can see all expensive cars are ICE (blue plates). Modern ICE cars emit almost no sound or emissions. Its not 70s with black smoke coming from exhaust pipes. You can take any densely populated city with almost none EV vehicles (say Tokyo) and you can hear birds and air would be very…

I live in Tokyo, and the air is not that clean close to highways: large diesel trucks pollute a lot, and also small motorbikes/scooters pollute horribly because they don't seem to require any emissions controls at all. The main thing keeping the air clean here is the proximity to the bay, along with the fact that there just aren't that many private cars in the first place, since most people take public transit and do…

Large trucks do not pollute a lot (there are strict standards to that matter). While they do pollute obviously, there is no viable substitute to it. EV truck is a dream at this point in history.

Amount of private cars in Tokyo is huge. Pollution near expressways in rural japan far from bays is next to nothing, so having it close to ocean does help a little.

Small motorbike/scooters are not allowed on expressways.

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