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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by pushcx »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

There's a lobbying group called 5rights that has designed and promoted the UK OSA, AU OSA, California KOSA, Federal KOSA, and more. This isn't some conspiracy. They take proudly take credit for these bills on their website, and in news coverage you'll see their same couple media personalities over and over: https://5rightsfoundation.com/our-work/

As usual for online censorship, Techdirt has had excellent coverage for years: https://www.techdirt.com/tag/baroness-beeban-kidron/

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by tosti »

royal__ wrote: post #293
bastawhiz wrote: post #285

This is kind of neat, but the site design is very obviously Claude's handiwork. Has anyone else noticed this very distinctive look, which is a dark mode site with semi transparent cards with a thin less transparent border, maybe ten pixels of border radius... In the last six months this has shown up everywhere . Tools at work look like it. Blogs look like it. It's inoffensive but imperfect, and when so many sites loo…

Yes! This is very obviously AI. Even in the last week there have been several submissions that have this exact same style. Also, the text on the site is obviously AI, em-dashes and all. I don't have a problem with people using the tools to make stuff, but man...at least say it's generated somewhere.

There's a meta tag for that, but hardly anyone uses it.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by tosti »

stephbook wrote: post #436
rkagerer wrote: post #223

I'm so glad I grew up in an age before all this bullshit, when I could do all the same things on a computer an adult could (and frankly, more). I never would have developed the knowledge and skills that led to my career in such a stifled environment as we are setting our kids up in today.

I'm also glad I got to experience phpBB message boards, justin.tv and a Facebook that was about friends. But nowadays you get Discord servers with IS propaganda and twitch.tv is full of prostitutes. Facebook is "the feed", scoured by corporations, full of idealized vacation photos and Russian propaganda. The old days are not coming back and doing nothing will lead to a further deterioration of the internet landscape.

Get off of FB, Twitch and Discord.

There's still choice. My 6 online friends are on signal and they're 5 real people I interact with irl and 1 guy I never met irl.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by bloomingeek »

brightball wrote: post #45
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

I like the idea of your reply. This is what I'll add; Politics, religion and nation states, in a sense, are in some kind of shift. Politics: many nations with a lot of money and arms are engaging in world threatening actions. Religion: The three major ones, with no disrespect to the other ones, are warping into something that is spinning away from their original writings (of course, in some ways this is good, example: stoning.). Nation States: destruction on a massive scale-Syria, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan...Is Iran next?

Perhaps instead of taking some responsibility for their actions, nations are going to further restrict their populations?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by enoint »

enoint wrote: post #443
dataflow wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly which part of AB 1043 makes you think a "smart toaster" could reasonably fall under it?

The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule. For ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be.

For example, if GE assumes some risk and issues an OS update, then the oven will ask the users age. GE would at that point be capable of limiting functionality based on age. But the bill is not enforced against GE, but the OS maintainer.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by enoint »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #467
dataflow wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly which part of AB 1043 makes you think a "smart toaster" could reasonably fall under it?

I assume you're aware that many "smart" devices these days have a full blown OS, a web browser, and an app store. But then some are missing or have only partial functionality here or there. If the law doesn't unambiguously specify what it applies to it puts anyone in the grey area in a difficult position. While we're at it, does fdroid count as the sort of app store that this law cares about? Because an end user can…

I expect a smart toaster could have a legally-compliant rump Toaster App Store which simply echo “I am a toaster” regardless of user age policy.

F-Droid is more abusable, unfortunately.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by tim333 »

Jolter wrote: post #422
izacus wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because despite the screeching, having good parental controls standardized across distros and OSS software is an idea that benefits Linux as a whole.

Do you think the mechanisms required by this law, as described in the linked article, constitute ”good parental control”?

Nothing's perfect but being able to tell the os the user is say 5 and then not have sites etc. show porn seem better than nothing?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by tim333 »

throw7 wrote: post #156

"AB 1043 passed the California Assembly 76–0 and the Senate 38–0. Not a single legislator voted against it." Amazing. We the people are not engaged. It really feels like we're at the end of history or something.

Or that some normal people want to protect kids and don't freak out over "It asked my age! This is a Nazi state and the end of the world!"

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by givinguflac »

karlgkk wrote: post #450
prohobo wrote: post #385

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I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

> Obviously, it's not for protecting children Frankly, this is false. There's a lot of well intentioned people writing these laws and pushing for them. > Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. However, it is also this. And that's not a tradeoff I think we should make as a society.

> There's a lot of well intentioned people writing these laws and pushing for them.

No, there absolutely are not. There are Meta et al and their international lobbyists, pushing copy-paste bills. Anyone pearl clutching for the kids is an idiot, or is paid off.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by senorrib »

smsm42 wrote: post #272
pocksuppet wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The larger plan is probably to avoid banning social media for under-18s

Or get another source of demographic data and suppress smaller competitors who can't comply with onerous regulation.

Probably both.
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